Seems like the industrial fs optics might be a different OEM, they look completely different. Trey is your experience with all of the industrial temp ones?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 12:07 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the input and thought on this. These are all metro so sub > 10 fiber miles on all my routes. I really like the flexibility of having > that extra strand to work with / use for upgrades etc so I'm leaning that > way. > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:01 PM Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote: > >> In my experience the FS optics seem to have a bit less of a quality >> standard. I have had them fail at a higher rate than any other. I would >> especially recommend against them if they are not being installed in a >> climate controlled environment. If you do make sure you order the >> industrial not commercial rated ones. I go through a massive amount of >> optics when considering the ones I use for myself and all the installs I do >> for my customers. The ones I see the least failures on are the vendor >> specific, Integra, Finisar, Solid these I rarely see DOA and have few >> failures in the field. Next group would Be Precision, FlexOptix, eoptolink, >> OPlink, mikrotik. Might get 1 in 100 fail OTB and another 1-2 out of 100 >> fail in the first year. Ones to stay away from are OSI, 10Gtek, FS, Ubnt >> these I have received entire shipment or 20+ fail OTB and are the ones I >> see most removed and replaced. >> On 1/26/2022 1:36 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> >> We have used both FS, FlexOptix, and SolidOptics. >> >> All have been good, I just tend not to trust the FS optics as much as the >> others on the more critical links. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> I've heard good things about Flex Optix. >> >> I've been doing FS myself (cheaper). I've had no issues so far. >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 10:40 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >>> The manufacturers supply a ‘programmer box’ that usually have a USB >>> connector, a SFP slot, and some software to reprogram the SFP’s. The >>> software usually lets you set how the SFP identifies itself to the switch / >>> router so that you can work around the asinine vendors that insist on >>> locking to vendor specific optics, and to set the frequency on the tunable >>> optics. >>> >>> https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox.html?395=1357&co9424= for example. >>> They will send one for free if you order optics from them. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 8:25 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> How do you tune the tunable optics? Is it done in the config of the >>> router, or do you tune it before installing somehow? >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 9:33 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CWDM vs DWDM, Single Fiber vs Dual fiber >>> >>> We spare with tunable optics. Production is channel specific but >>> spares are tunable to the frequency. Price is usually 4x the fixed >>> optics, but as you noted, having to spare every channel gets pricy. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 7:57 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> My recollection is the DWDM optics are slightly cheaper, but the CWDM >>> muxes are cheaper. I think if you fully populate the CWDM MUX then the >>> cost was a wash and it didn’t matter which one you bought. If you are only >>> ever going to use a few channels then CWDM is noticeably cheaper. >>> >>> The biggest hassle IMO is inventory and spares. If you’re using 10 >>> different color optics then you need 10 different spares on the shelf. If >>> you use 40 colors that cost $400 each then you need $16,000 in spare >>> optics. That’s not even a bad scenario. Some of the more exotic optics >>> are $2300 from Fiber Store. I have a quote in hand for 80km 100G Arista >>> branded optics from another vendor for over $6000. If you’re using >>> multiple colors of those then you may find yourself with a whole lotta >>> capital tied up in spare parts. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2022 4:43 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CWDM vs DWDM, Single Fiber vs Dual fiber >>> >>> We are leasing a few new strands of dark to a couple locations. On our >>> other paths we have just Done BiDi for our ring or payload and used another >>> for our routed/management network. For these strands, I'm thinking of >>> doing passive WDM. >>> >>> Any benefit to DWDM vs CWDM if you aren't expecting to scale it? Why >>> would you use two strands vs one strand? We generally use one strand for >>> everything, either BiDi or GPON so my brain just sort of assumes that. >>> What am I missing? >>> >>> -- >>> https://www.fs.com/products/43711.html?attribute=4364&id=297095 >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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