I think it's more about what you might consider "working". If they succeed 20, 30 or 40 percent of the time (more failures than successes), they might consider it good enough. Kind of like MLB batting averages. If you're hitting 333, you're a star.

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On 12/28/2020 3:45 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I was just reading about the latest botnet that got taken down, I think they said it allowed 5 layers of redirects for the attackers. So somehow they're able to extract whatever sensitive information they want, from basically whoever they want, over this super convoluted tunneling setup, running through who knows how many NATs and probably shoddy WIFI.  But if I try to do 2 layers of NAT, or godforbid, there's some MTU mismatch, or the customer walks into the room over from the router, half the internet won't load.

Maybe the IETF needs to see how these guys make it work.  They must have some secret sauce.


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