I think you just described UDP.  Yet Zoom uses UDP.  And as you say, if 
something goes wrong, it’s the ISP’s fault, and it’s the end of the freakin’ 
world.

 

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hackers and Networking

 

I think it's more that it's ok if it only works 90% of the time.  Acceptable 
losses.

For you, if anything doesn't work somebody will know immediately, and it will 
be the most important thing they do, and they'll lose millions of dollars if 
you don't fix it right now.

 

On 12/28/2020 6:45 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I was just reading about the latest botnet that got taken down, I think they 
said it allowed 5 layers of redirects for the attackers. So somehow they're 
able to extract whatever sensitive information they want, from basically 
whoever they want, over this super convoluted tunneling setup, running through 
who knows how many NATs and probably shoddy WIFI.  But if I try to do 2 layers 
of NAT, or godforbid, there's some MTU mismatch, or the customer walks into the 
room over from the router, half the internet won't load. 

Maybe the IETF needs to see how these guys make it work.  They must have some 
secret sauce. 

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