I always thought that settlements should be illegal period. If you make a claim, it should be mandatory that it complete a court cycle and end with a judge's order. In other words, handle your own business or the judge will handle it. This applies heavily to claims of sexual harassment/assault etc. Its a big business handling extortion, erm I mean sexual harrasment claims. You want some dough? You can only get it through a judge. Same with suits like this, maybe cambium would have been less inclined to take the risk if they knew they wouldnt be able to settle, maybe ubnt would be less inclined to sue if they knew a judge might make them pay cambiums legal fees. It shouldn't have to be this way, but it seems anymore culpability has little to do with settlements and more to do with the knowledge people and organizations will just pay to make nuisances go away.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 8:20 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I feel like tort reform is a first step to improving the USA. A case > that's just strong enough to be heard can waste everyone's time and money. > Anybody with such a case becomes a threat, so a lot of effort is spent > trying to make sure nobody has such a case. It drives up the cost of doing > business in America. I'm unclear if liability insurance is really > protection for the business or a target on their backs. > > ....I mean I don't know anything about the Ubiquiti vs Cambium case, I'm > just kvetching. > On 12/18/2020 4:31 AM, Steve D wrote: > > This is probably it. The settlement is likely just a "go away now" move > on both sides. I recall reading a well written article early on when it > was first announced that Ubnt basically didn't have a case, they just > wanted the court ordered stop-sell delay long enough to likewise push the > AC products and backwards compatibility of their own products. > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yeah, I think Cambium's goal was probably to just drag it out long enough >> that the product wasn't really needed anymore. I suspect that at this >> point, the majority of the 802.11N based networks that are going to be >> converted to ePMP already have been, and Elevate never supported the AC >> gear anyway and even if it did, there would probably be a lot less interest >> now than there was back then. It was a very useful tool at the time, and >> saved a lot of us a ton of work, but it pretty much served its purpose and >> can be left to die at this point. >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:17 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I believe the claim was that Cambium hacked Ubnt's hardware so they >>> could figure out how to load Cambium firmware onto Ubnt radios. This would >>> save a wisp a ton of money if they decided to switch platforms as they >>> would not have to buy new CPEs, just APs. They found some technicality in >>> the DMCA, I believe, and it looks like either Cambium decided it might go >>> against them (highly likely when trying to convince non-technical judges) >>> or they decided it would just be less expensive to end it now. What looks >>> to those of us who understand things like radio chipsets better than the >>> average joe public like a no-brianer, is most likely incomprehensible to a >>> judge or a selection of random people in a jury pool. Heck I've seen >>> supposed "distinguished trial judges" not be able to tell which party is >>> which in a property dispute because one party claimed to be the other by >>> filing brand new articles of incorporation with the same name. I would >>> expect trying to convince them the radio hardware was not proprietary would >>> be tantamount to a fat man climbing mount everest without oxygen. Maybe >>> "someone" will figure out a way to do this independently just in case they >>> don't want to swap thousands of CPEs. I can't imagine it would be too >>> difficult, but you might open yourself up to a new lawsuit. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 12:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So who is who here. I guess I am UBNT? >>>> Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others. >>>> So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios? >>>> >>>> So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios? >>>> Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios? >>>> >>>> I remember it happening at the time. I just don’t remember any >>>> details. >>>> The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT. >>>> Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Craig Schmaderer >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a >>>> lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts >>>> after I buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, >>>> you would sue Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a >>>> lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I never understood the argument. What exactly did Cambium do wrong? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a >>>> lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite >>>> them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of >>>> customers they rolled over >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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