They never ran out of cigarettes in Alive.  It was the 70's so everybody was a smoker, but there was a big price increase in cigarettes at their destination, so the guys had stashed dozens of cartons of smokes in their luggage figuring they could sell them for a profit when they got there.

Maybe they'd be more likely to kill somebody "for food" if they were all smokers in withdrawl jitters.

On 10/8/2020 9:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

In the true story /Alive/ which someone referenced earlier, they ate the people who were already dead from the plane crash.  They were all frozen in the snow so none of them were going to rot.  Plenty to pick from and no reason to kill anyone on purpose.  Certain bodies were set aside "for eating last", like the sister of one of the survivors, because it would have been too emotional to eat them.  A few chose not to eat the dead on moral grounds, and those who stuck to that path withered and died (and days of starvation changed the moral equation for some of them).

It started with a joke which might have been a trial balloon. While discussing their hunger someone said something like, screw that pilot for crashing us, we should just eat his corpse, LOL-just-kidding-or-am-I?

In that case they were in a frozen wasteland on top of the Andes and literally the only calories available were the ones they brought with them.  If we were in a place where it was plausible to go hunting then there'd be things to eat.  Les Stroud in one of his You Tube videos said something about everybody being squeamish about eating the roasted grubs and scorpions when their stomach is full, but he'd never seen a single person turn down eating the bugs after a couple days with nothing else.

I don't think they mentioned this in the movie version, but the epilogue to the book /Alive/ said that ironically there was a ski lodge several miles from the crash site.  It was closed for the winter, but it had food and fuel stored there. They ended up electing "expeditionaries" to go for help....but they chose a path that they thought would take them out of the mountains and had no reason to suspect that shelter was within walking distance.  The lesson I think is that good scouting should precede the cannibalism.

In your situation I'm not sure how you explain the missing people from the hunting party.  "Good news is we got us some mountain lion to eat.  Bad news is it got Jimmy first.  Yeah I know it's a damn shame that keeps happening whenever I go hunting."


On 10/8/2020 1:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
So I've been giving it thought. If you were in a survival scenario, plane crash, insurrection, aliens, whatever and had to resort to cannibalism, if it were your job to be the hunter. Would you tell your people you were feeding them other people? Or just tell them you captured a cat or something and serve it prepared. I'm really torn on this one. It's wrong to not tell them, but if you did it could cause strife. Keeping it a secret nobody has the moral issue to contend with but you'll run out of people meat sooner. If you tell them, some will refuse, which extends your meat stores. That presents a new issue, those who dont partake are going to ultimately starve to death, by that point there wont be much food left on them, it would almost be irresponsible to let all that protein go to waste and you might need to harvest them right then and there.

I wonder if an hoa can put in a cannibalism clause in the event of major issues where food will become an issue.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 5:32 PM castarritt <castarr...@gmail.com <mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Moderate Lent


    On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:14 AM Brian Webster
    <i...@wirelessmapping.com <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:

        Isn’t it Lent?

        Thank you,

        Brian Webster

        www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>

        *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
        *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
        *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

        Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK.

        Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.

        Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the
        Andes or you get snowed in by Truckee.

        Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears.

        I like moderate black lives.

        *From:*Bill Prince

        *Sent:*Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM

        *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

        Only moderate fascism.

        Only moderate pedophilia.

        Only moderate cannibalism.

        Only moderate shooting.

        Only moderate black lives.

        bp

        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

            I choose moderation in all things.

            Sent from my iPhone



            On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett
            mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
            wrote:

                

                The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's
                chest appears to be a sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The
                shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that
                they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers
                are the real sheep.

                I know some of you are more worried about the left
                wing radicals who need to battle fascism and white
                supremacists which actually exist in the US only in
                scattered hundreds with no political or cultural
                relevance. The right wing ones frighten the hell out
                of me with their need to battle the pedophile
                cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of
                people on both of these wings imagine that the silent
                majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent
                majority is silent for the same reason you silently
                ignore a raving street preacher. Meanwhile a lot of
                politicians have noted that the loud and crazy people
                are more motivated to vote.

                Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the
                craziness.  "Oh you like free markets?  Must be a
                white supremacist."

                "Oh you're concerned the American police resort to
                violence more often than those in other countries. 
                You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."
                Interesting times.

                On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

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                    Intelligent Computing Solutions
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                    Midwest Internet Exchange
                    <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
                    
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                    The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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                    <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

                    
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                    *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
                    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
                    *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                    *Sent: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
                    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

                    Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally,
                    I think there is probably more than one Q, and
                    they may or may not coordinate their message(s).
                    I think they could be more effective if they
                    weren't so out and out bonkers. Eat babies? really?

                    bp

                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                    On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

                        is that a real conspiracy?

                        My wife had a friend over the other day,
                        first time I ever met a real Q believer.
                        weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause
                        Qanon I always thought was just some guy that
                        posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the
                        administration. Q people think the rich eat
                        babies and some lady who just had a
                        miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses
                        the code pizza, for little girls and always
                        instagrams about pizza. weird shit

                        I think HOAs operate on different rules,
                        since its a "voluntary" entry into them. Ive
                        never looked too deep into it cause id never
                        be in one, id put an air hose up my back
                        first. but the contracts must give up a great
                        deal of private property rights including
                        waiving otard stuff

                        On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert
                        <i...@avantwireless.com
                        <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

                            Google uses low frequency brain
                            stimulation.. Whenever you use their
                            browser and the volume isn't turned off.

                            On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

                                Messaging is king of all I suppose.

                                If you were Google, people would
                                believe that you magically give it
                                away for free. Since you're not
                                Google they'll assume some kind of
                                robbery or graft.  I don't know how
                                Google pulls off that kind of public
                                relations coup.

                                On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown
                                via AF wrote:

                                    But it is free! Comes with HOA
                                    dues.  Such a deal.

                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                        On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:58 AM,
                                        Adam Moffett
                                        mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
                                        <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
                                        wrote:

                                        

                                        If I was in charge of laws,
                                        they wouldn't be so legalistic.

                                        You don't have exclusivity
                                        per se, but in de facto
                                        nobody will buy anything else
                                        when they're already forced
                                        to pay you whether they like
                                        it or not.  They'd have to
                                        actively hate you before
                                        they'll even consider
                                        something else.  You'd have
                                        to steal their birthdays
                                        before they consider another
                                        option, and you'd have to
                                        violate their daughters
                                        before they're willing to pay
                                        what the installation of the
                                        other option will actually cost.

                                        .....that doesn't make it a
                                        bad deal for you, of course.
                                        Competitors will cry foul
                                        because you can make money
                                        and they can't, but that
                                        doesn't mean they wouldn't do
                                        the same thing if they could.

                                        On 10/5/2020 8:05 PM,
                                        ch...@wbmfg.com
                                        <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                                            We don’t have
                                            exclusivity, we just have
                                            a service included in HOA
                                            fees. They can have any
                                            service provider they want.

                                            But the service provider
                                            will have to do an
                                            overbuild into a
                                            saturated area.  I would
                                            bet they will not do it.

                                            *From:*Mark Radabaugh

                                            *Sent:*Monday, October 5,
                                            2020 5:52 PM

                                            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave
                                            Users Group

                                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT
                                            Royalty deal

                                            
https://www.keglerbrown.com/publications/mdus-vs-the-fcc-exclusivity-service-agreements-with-cable-and-internet-providers/
                                            
<https://www.keglerbrown.com/publications/mdus-vs-the-fcc-exclusivity-service-agreements-with-cable-and-internet-providers/>


                                            
https://www.nexttv.com/news/fcc-bans-exclusive-mdu-deals-296566
                                            
<https://www.nexttv.com/news/fcc-bans-exclusive-mdu-deals-296566>

                                            FCC Bans Exclusivity
                                            Contracts — HOA Law Blog
                                            — February
                                            ...www.hoalawblog.com ›
                                            fcc_bans_exclusivity_contracts
                                            
<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjak-670p7sAhUVHM0KHcR5D74QFjACegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoalawblog.com%2Ffcc_bans_exclusivity_contracts%2F&usg=AOvVaw1IWC6vbyFt33Un5wLgPWSa>

                                            Pay your money and take
                                            your chances

                                            Mark

                                                On Oct 5, 2020, at
                                                4:52 PM, Chuck McCown
                                                <ch...@wbmfg.com
                                                <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
                                                wrote:

                                                Lots of companies
                                                doing these deals. 
                                                MDU, subdivisions.
                                                What would be illegal
                                                about it?  The
                                                homeowners are free
                                                to go after any
                                                service they want,
                                                but they are locked
                                                into my service. 
                                                This has been
                                                litigated at the CATV
                                                level years ago and
                                                was found legal.

                                                On Mon, Oct 5, 2020
                                                at 2:28 PM Mark
                                                Radabaugh
                                                <m...@amplex.net
                                                <mailto:m...@amplex.net>>
                                                wrote:

                                                    I think you are
                                                    going to find
                                                    that arrangement
                                                    is highly illegal
                                                    from an FCC
                                                    standpoint. When
                                                    the deal gets
                                                    blown out by the
                                                    next company that
                                                    sues you and the
                                                    HOA over it, is
                                                    it going to be
                                                    worth your time
                                                    and investment?

                                                    Mark

                                                        On Oct 5,
                                                        2020, at 4:20
                                                        PM,
                                                        ch...@wbmfg.com
                                                        <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
                                                        wrote:

                                                        I am getting
                                                        some traction
                                                        with
                                                        developers
                                                        for my fiber.
                                                        They want me
                                                        to come in,
                                                        they will put
                                                        the
                                                        subscription
                                                        to my service
                                                        as part of
                                                        the HOA fees.
                                                        They will not
                                                        let others in
                                                        the ditch.
                                                        All for 10%
                                                        of the
                                                        gross.  So I
                                                        get 100% take
                                                        rate.  I am
                                                        not unhappy
                                                        with the
                                                        deal.  But I
                                                        am wondering
                                                        about
                                                        agreeing to a
                                                        perpetual
                                                        royalty.
                                                        Anyone else
                                                        done one of
                                                        these deals?

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