Well I'll be damned.

On 10/6/2020 11:11 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
The Last batch I ordered from Monoprice had this pinout.  So I just throw one of these on the POE injector if I want to use a camibum POE to power a mikrotik, or my Battery adapter on an old 450 radio.  I thought I heard somewhere that Part of GIGe+POE spec was that it had to be polarity agnostic?



On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

That would be unusual for a crossover adapter to swap the 4,5 and 7,8 pairs.  Traditionally they swapped 1,2 and 3,6 for the benefit of 10/100 devices that didn't support auto MDI-X.  I don't think there's any context where swapping the spare pairs would have been useful.  In telephony you might encounter a rollover adapter, but that's a horse of a different color.

What I'm wondering is whether "power pairs" is even a useful term anymore or just a pointless thing to argue about.  I know there's a long history in WISP-land of the spare pairs on 100BaseT being used for passive PoE.  But, 450b like most modern devices, has gigE.  Like all gigE devices, all pairs carry data.  Their official PoE adapter puts power on certain pairs, but 802.3af/at has multiple power modes where power could be on different pairs in different polarities.

I think we're seeing more polarity agnostic devices because the gigE chipsets have to have that.  Maybe it's not that Cambium and Ubiquiti love and protect us, but that Ethernet vendors have to consider the reality of multiple cabling situations when designing PoE capable chipsets, and a diode bridge on the DC input is the logical solution everyone came to independently.  So on modern PoE devices there are pairs carrying power, but there are no more dedicated power pairs. Just a thought.


On 10/6/2020 10:43 AM, Nate Burke via AF wrote:
Unless they've changed the product in the last couple years, these cross the power pairs as well. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=5088

On 10/6/2020 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
a) cross over cable switches the data pairs, not the power pairs
b) a 450b accepts both polarities for voltage

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:21 AM Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I just found this:

    https://mikrotik.com/product/mqs <https://mikrotik.com/product/mqs>

    I assume I can just use a crossover cable to power up a PMP450b.
    Anyone used them?  I am not sure we need the wifi, our SMs are
    pre-programmed to lock on the tower.

    On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 9:28 AM Matt
    <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > What is everyone using to power up an SM for site surveys
    nowadays?

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