<RANT>
WTF don't you people understand? How many times do I have to state I am NOT
trying to state, imply, or propagate that there is a conspiracy to inflate,
deflate, or otherwise misreport the numbers?
I'll state again, for I hope the very last time:
Anecdotal information I have personal knowledge of to be true, that there
is over reporting in this oh so tiny subset of data. I am sure there is
misreporting of positive cases as negative. I merely quesited about there
being some misguided economic incentive, put in place with the best
intentions but possibly mistakenly incentivizing testing facilities, to
report positive cases. I have no idea why such a policy would be put in
place.
Whatever, this whole thing has just driven people crazy.
If you think you are gonna get sick, stay isolated. If your grandmother is
fragile, she should stay isolated. If you are healthy, or just don't care
anymore, do whatever the $%@& you want.
</RANT>
Other than that, it is going to be mighty hot out there today.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:26 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> So, I went digging for a reason behind the positives for people who didn't
> actually succeed in getting tested.
>
> One thing I found is that it sounds like some of these testing sites are
> not being run in a very intelligent manner. The brokenness you described
> (where 3 people who got out of line got calls about a positive result), may
> be a result of some sites which apparently took the personal information
> when people got in line, and then assumed that everyone stayed in line.
> So if one person gets out of line, then the people behind them don't get
> their own test results, they get the results of the people behind them, and
> the person who got out of line gets a test result even though they weren't
> tested. Apparently this has happened in at least one location but
> hopefully isn't all that common as this is a pretty stupid thing to do.
>
> There are also people who are getting calls from scammers who are trying
> to convince people they are positive for some scammy purpose. With so
> many tests being administered, it's probably a pretty high chance that a
> scammer will successfully reach people who have had a recent COVID test.
> And with tests taking a week or more for results, the window is fairly
> wide.
>
> I don't doubt at all that people are getting the wrong results, false
> positives, false negatives, and so on. I also don't doubt that some
> misguided localities are deciding to report things in non-straightforward
> ways which make the stats better for whatever reasons. My favorite is the
> states who have decided to report based on 'date of symptom onset', so you
> never see the number of new positive cases on a given date, they just
> silently update the numbers over the last 2 weeks as people get tested, and
> the graphs always look like the numbers are going down since not all of the
> recent cases are discovered yet.
>
> Like anything though, there seem to be quite a few conspiracy theorists
> out there who are convinced that all the numbers are being faked, including
> hospitalizations and deaths. Yes, it is certain that the numbers aren't
> 100% correct, and I'm sure there will be lots of examples where people
> don't feel a given case was recorded properly, but I just can't see it
> being a widespread conspiracy being driven by whoever the theorist's
> favorite bogeyman is.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:31 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To be clear, I was saying there was a conspiracy. Although I will say if
>> you want more of something, you subsidize it, and less of something, you
>> tax it. All I was saying is I saw no reason for an entity, public or
>> private, to falsify 3 out of 3 tests unless there was some financial
>> incentive for doing so. Although anecdotal, that's a hell of a coincidence.
>>
>> Again, economic policy can drive mass decision making, which to some, can
>> seem like a conspiracy, but in actuality is just macroeconomic decisions
>> working down to the micro level. The same reason people buy shit at
>> Wal-Mart for $2 less than somewhere else.
>>
>> Anyway, I just thought it added color to the numbers and is the only
>> actual verifiable inconsistency I have seen.
>>
>> In my opinion, everyone on the planet, save those cannibals on that
>> little island of NZ, are going to get COVID so while slowing it might be a
>> good idea, it lengthens the time we stay in this rut and doesn't prevent
>> the inevitable.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I make sure all my aliens have an I-9
>>>
>>> *From:* Nate Burke
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 2:17 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>
>>> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was
>>> involving conspiracy?
>>>
>>> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
>>> leaks data like a sieve"
>>>
>>> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
>>> aliens? "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>>>
>>> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
>>> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
>>> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
>>> how many people involved at each hospital.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>>>
>>> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to
>>> be as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>>>
>>> My governor publishes a report every day. The number in my county
>>> keeps going up, never down. So the same guy who got it early and died,
>>> does he still count? How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?
>>> What about the people who tested only for the antibody? I guess they
>>> count as 'got it', too.
>>>
>>> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required. And the more dead
>>> people, the better.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem
>>>> quite OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no
>>>> big deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for. I am
>>>> reminded of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age
>>>> tolerate it a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we
>>>> turn 50.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>>>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>>>> just social media taking things out of context. I understand at that age
>>>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>>>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>>>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>>>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>>>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>>>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>>>> them, basically let the old people die. But if young people keep acting
>>>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all. If the virus
>>>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will. Plus they will have
>>>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Grumble, grumble.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
>>>> positive yesterday. So I guess that's good news. But reports are a
>>>> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
>>>> partying.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
>>>> the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
>>>> Deaths/infections. The total numbers don't mean anything.
>>>>
>>>> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
>>>> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago. I think
>>>> some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet. It has flattened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think the most important chart is deaths per population
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
>>>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM
>>>> *To: *mailto:af@af.afmug.com mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>>>>
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