I wish GAA would go to some sort of light PAL, with the higher EIRP and mix of 450 and LTE its going to be a mess. I havent gotten a SAS administrator yet, but im hoping one of the commercial competitive feature sets is rf visualization so we can at least be able to see who is doing what and gain some competitor contacts for mitigation. I went live with a 450 on 10mhz right in between 2 20mhz channels of somebody elses according to the SA the other day, and theyre fairly hot 20s, in the -70s. Would be nice if GAA was just restricted overlaps to 10mhz if SAS sees a conflict. with some mechanism for two CPIs to waive the restriction. I really hope moving forward that any spectrum released by the FCC is SAS managed. the wild west of radio is no good. there was a comment in WISP talk the other day about 5ghz where the guy says he just overpowers his competitors. People are naturally going to be dicks and irresponsible with spectrum so we need the SAS adult in the room moving forward any time the FCC gives us something they could otherwise monetize the hell out of.
also, does CBRS require cloud or on prem cnmaestro, or either? On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote: > You coordinated with ATT and Verizon or local WISPs? > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > > > > I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and it > was challenge for sure. > > I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some > APs in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon. > > Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did this > manually. > > I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the > management portal. > > I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting. > > > On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS. I was so > happy to see all channels available. Then someone pointed out that is only > because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect GAA. > Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken place. > > > > There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a > grant-by-grant basis. But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a > grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel. That tells me a GAA > user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant and > now is being protected. You could move to another channel, but I fear that > will be a manual process. Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find > another clear channel, CPI enters data for new grant request. > > > > I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy > (cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I > doubt that’s how it works. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment > onboarding > > > > Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off. Secondly, I don't > know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid > those. Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS... > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I expect they’ll do both. > > > > But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA? In > 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL > licensed don’t come with assigned channels. So the limit on number of PALs > per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t > think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the > old NN 50 MHz. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment > onboarding > > > > Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL > blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all? > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off > a channel. Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz > channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn. > > > > But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and > the only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new > frequency. We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel. > Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different > channel, or a narrower one, or whatever? Maybe, but I don’t think so. My > guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers > are down, and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant > request to get a new channel. And we would need to quickly determine which > channel to request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and > there would be interference. > > > > Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic? Not really > sure how auto would work. It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects > grant requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment > onboarding > > > > If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA. That's > the worst case scenario! Before this I had 50 MHz in NN. > > > > Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after > Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their > coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a > working system. Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different > AP, etc. Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it > can be confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time. Some of > these you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in > cnMaestro. > > > > CBRS isn’t simple. > > > > One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out > frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference. You > still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just > like unlicensed. The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders. Other than > that, it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is > right next to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding. > > > > I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch > of PALs. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment > onboarding > > > > The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told > me the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine > now. I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works > with the 450 equipment. > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot > the sucker. > > > > Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to > agree it's misleading. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time > talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are > AWESOME. The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently > doesn't mean what I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I > needed to do. Thanks Matt for getting this ticket escalated. > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > I got Kurt… he should be sorted. > > > > (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed > and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with > CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!). > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment > onboarding > > > > If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the > guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress > and send him a nice email asking for help. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding > > > > here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it > gives me an error says "already synced" > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Unregistered means you didn't start the process. Once is registered you > have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool? It > shouldn’t take more than a minute or two. Actually it should go through > REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick. > > > > The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful. I’ve even had > them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff. > The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to > the right people. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding > > > > ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up > in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, > have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far. > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > You only need the account with Cambium. 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