You coordinated with ATT and Verizon or local WISPs? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > > > I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and it > was challenge for sure. > > I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some APs > in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon. > > Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did this > manually. > > I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the management > portal. > > I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting. > > > >> On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS. I was so happy >> to see all channels available. Then someone pointed out that is only >> because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect GAA. >> Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken place. >> >> There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a >> grant-by-grant basis. But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a >> grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel. That tells me a GAA >> user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant and now >> is being protected. You could move to another channel, but I fear that will >> be a manual process. Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find another >> clear channel, CPI enters data for new grant request. >> >> I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy >> (cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I >> doubt that’s how it works. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment >> onboarding >> >> Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off. Secondly, I don't >> know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid >> those. Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS... >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> I expect they’ll do both. >> >> But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA? In >> 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL >> licensed don’t come with assigned channels. So the limit on number of PALs >> per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t >> think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the old >> NN 50 MHz. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment >> onboarding >> >> Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks >> would be willing to operate in GAA at all? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off a >> channel. Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz >> channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn. >> >> But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and the >> only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new >> frequency. We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel. >> Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, >> or a narrower one, or whatever? Maybe, but I don’t think so. My guess is >> our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers are down, >> and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant request to >> get a new channel. And we would need to quickly determine which channel to >> request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there would be >> interference. >> >> Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic? Not really >> sure how auto would work. It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects >> grant requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment >> onboarding >> >> If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA. That's >> the worst case scenario! Before this I had 50 MHz in NN. >> >> Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after >> Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their >> coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a >> working system. Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different AP, >> etc. Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it can be >> confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time. Some of these >> you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in cnMaestro. >> >> CBRS isn’t simple. >> >> One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out >> frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference. You >> still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just like >> unlicensed. The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders. Other than that, >> it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is right next >> to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding. >> >> I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch >> of PALs. >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment >> onboarding >> >> The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told me >> the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine now. >> I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works with the >> 450 equipment. >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot the >> sucker. >> >> Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to >> agree it's misleading. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time talking >> to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are AWESOME. >> The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently doesn't mean what I >> thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I needed to do. Thanks >> Matt for getting this ticket escalated. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> I got Kurt… he should be sorted. >> >> (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed >> and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with >> CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!). >> >> Matt >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM >> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding >> >> If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the >> guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress >> and send him a nice email asking for help. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding >> >> here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it >> gives me an error says "already synced" >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> Unregistered means you didn't start the process. Once is registered you >> have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool? It >> shouldn’t take more than a minute or two. Actually it should go through >> REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick. >> >> The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful. I’ve even had >> them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff. >> The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the >> right people. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding >> >> ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in >> Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, >> have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> You only need the account with Cambium. But the CPI enters the credentials >> each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro. >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding >> >> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated >> Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless >> system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN >> Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start >> on-boarding devices? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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