So let me go down to the other end of the scale. All of the packetflux web presence other than the ecommerce platform lives on two Vultr VM's. Total cost? $11/month.
It could actually be $5/month, but I wanted to separate out the ticketing system just because I didn't want to make a mess of the non-ticketing VM with all the oddities that the ticketing system requires. I'd have a hard time even paying for the hardware at this price. And I don't have to worry about power, cooling, dealing with the hardware, etc. Now talking about AWS, I agree with Mike, where that shines is where you can use their infrastructure in the way it was intended. For instance, as I mentioned previously I'm strongly looking at spinning up a serverless infrastructure on AWS for some IoT stuff I'm playing with. Serverless means that there are *no* 24x7 servers running on your application. For example, you can set up a web page entirely on amazon S3, and then you pay only for storage and requests. 2.3 cents/month per GB of storage, and 0.00004 cents per request (or stated the other way: $1 per 2.5 million requests). There is also some minimal transfer-out fees if you use more than 1GB/month. So, many static websites can be hosted on S3 for well under $1/month. I have some stuff that I was going to go that way with, but it was just easier to put it on the already-purchased $5/month server and be done with it. But if you go to AWS to get a high-core server on 24x7 then yes, it's arguably cheaper to run it in-house. The point of AWS and also services like vultr are more about running intermittent services, or VM's which can be shared well with others. Or things that need to be scaled. On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > Consider the $160 month over 72 months = $11520. For almost the same > cost, I can get a dell server virtualize it, run multiple servers on it, > and if well maintained will last well past 72 months. > > Its just pure math. AWS isn't cost effective unless you are using it for > a lower traffic app that you need to be global so you can have instances > set up around the world. > > Scalability is a few more steps in Vmware or proxmox or whatever. I > simply edit the resources, restart the vm, resize the disks bring it back > up and its good to go. Literally a 10 min process. I've been sitting on > 5+ physical servers that can run 60-100 linux servers for 6 years now and I > still have plenty of room to grow. > > The only thing that sucks is the power and cooling costs. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:06:47 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik > > I have similar gripes with AWS. If you've got an application which was > written for AWS and takes advantage of their infrastructure in the right > way it isn't that bad. For instance, I'm seriously looking at using their > serverless/IoT infrastructure for something I'm working on here, and the > pricing I'm seeing is far better than I could do with a reasonable > infrastructure to support it. Plus it scales nicely. > For more traditional systems, Normal AWS is pretty expensive. On the > other hand, the newer Lightsail service is more oriented toward those > apps... You can get a entry-level server for $3.50/month, or at the other > end, $160/month you can get a 32GB RAM, 8 Core, 640GB storage server. > > On the other hand, I really like Vultr, which has similar pricing but it > is a lot easier to deal with. > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 9:59 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> We tried to toss TowerCoveage.com to AWS. Their quote was around 45k a >> month! We are the exact opposite of what they want, high CPU and high >> IOPs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:42 AM >> *To:* af <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik >> >> >> >> Nobody make a product anymore and sells it. Its all subscription based. >> Its royally pissing me off too. I mean even in app games if you wanna >> remove ads you could just buy the game. NOW you need to pay $10 to remove >> ads for A MONTH or a period of time. >> >> >> >> Anyhoo.. as far as CHR - I've messed around with it on Amazon and it does >> work. Quite cool actually ....but I've found after crunching the numbers >> over the years its still way cheaper running your own hardware in your own >> NOC than in the cloud. I've had servers run for 9 years giving me way more >> ROI than any monthly subscription could. If properly maintained. Not to >> mention you are taking your own destiny into your own hands instead of >> placing them in a 3rd party's possession. >> >> >> >> Now if you don't have the staff or time to manage things then yeah you >> will need to pay someone else for their expertise in putting it all >> together. >> >> >> >> I think a hybrid solution is the overall best solution. The best of both >> worlds. >> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:53:22 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik >> >> >> >> On 6/10/20 6:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> > Oh, for sure. Virtualized routers are where the industry is going, >> whether it's a VM running on your compute infrastructure or on your >> switch\router. >> >> >> No thanks, because here comes the annual subscriptions. Cisco already >> went that way with CSR 1000V. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but the majority of >> the industry is sure to go that way too. At least the first sale >> doctrine applies to hardware. Tired of fucking subscriptions for every >> damn thing. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > - Forrest > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- - Forrest
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