This isn't a universal thing.  In Bill's state, murder requires "Malice aforethought"

On 5/11/2020 12:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
no it doesnt

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:25 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    It is not justice in my opinion. I suppose you could make a case
    for manslaughter, but not murder. Murder requires premeditation.


    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 5/11/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

    So one burglar is charged with murdering the second burglar who
    was shot by the homeowner?  Am I following that correctly?

    That doesn't seem logical.


    On 5/11/2020 10:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
    Im going to go out on a limb and say these plants probably do
    not use E Verify.  We have a case going where two kids broke in
    to rob a house, homeowner shot and killed one of them, the one
    that didnt die is charged with murder because a death occurred
    during the commission of a crime. So say these plant are
    committing the crime of hiring undocumented, and a death
    occurred, then maybe the company leadership could be held
    criminally liable. would be interesting to see

    On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
    <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

        Some people have suggested the spread at meat packing plants
        (which are disinfected daily in the normal course of
        business) may actually be occurring outside the plants, due
        to things like communal housing.  This is a claim rife with
        social, economic and racial prejudice.  Yet I think it has
        merit.  Which probably means I’m prejudiced.

        I would like to think the companies are implementing major
        changes in changing areas, bathrooms, lunchrooms, entrances
        and exits, etc, not just distancing on the production
        lines.  But I would also like to hear that the companies or
        towns or states or somebody is setting up places for
        infected workers to isolate rather than just go home and
        infect their families and neighbors.  Or maybe setup some
        kind of temporary housing to cut the spread outside the plants.

        *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *James Howard
        *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 9:08 AM
        *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

        In case people didn’t read the article, Benjamin is the
        fellow who died.  He was the union Chief Steward…….

        Another point that occurred to me is that everybody just
        seems to assume that he contracted COVID at work.  What if
        he got it somewhere else and he was the one that brought it
        to that plant and spread it?

        *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
        *Mark Radabaugh
        *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2020 6:34 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

        Seems like they employees should be suing the union, after
        all that was who they were paying dues to to protect them in
        the workplace.   Apparentl the union did a pretty crappy job.

        Mark

            On May 10, 2020, at 11:17 PM, James Howard
            <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

            Benjamin was Chief Steward of Local 1776, a chapter of
            the United Food and Commercial Workers Union.

            *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
            *Ken Hohhof
            *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:05 PM
            *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
            <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

            A 70 year old was working at a slaughterhouse?

            *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
            *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:50 PM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

            And so it begins.

            
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-plant-pennsylvania-death-lawsuit

                On May 10, 2020, at 10:43 PM, Chuck McCown
                <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

                Only for ugly people.

                Sent from my iPhone

                    On May 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, James Howard
                    <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
                    wrote:

                    

                    There are 2 separate issues. Having the
                    government tell everyone they must wear a mask
                    is one thing.  A business requiring customers
                    wear a mask to enter their store is another. 
                    The second actually correlates to your example
                    and is certainly the right of any business to
                    put certain requirements on using their facility
                    (within lawful limits of course). If people
                    don’t want to abide by their requirements, they
                    are free to go somewhere else or stay home if no
                    one will let them in their place of business.

                    On the other hand, I assume that it will
                    eventually come before the Supreme Court to
                    decide if it is a violation of some “right” or
                    other to be told that everyone is required to
                    wear a mask in public.

                    *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On
                    Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
                    *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:53 PM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>;
                    Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                    <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

                    To those saying "why should I have to wear a
                    mask when in public".... do
                    you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No
                    Service"?

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