I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.
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The only comparison is the number. Number killed in the conflict. Number killed by the virus. Number killed by Jim Jones.If the number is big enough people care. If the deaths happen is a short amount of time people care more.It was just a milepost number. Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers. Or holocaust numbers.Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering. It is just an idle curiosity. It is not an insignificant number of deaths.People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees." 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
58,202 deaths
Now. You actually have the numbers to compare2,709,918 over 9 years
58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
You see where this is going?
now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral activity.
We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison
So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
--My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way.
If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that actually took place.--On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
--I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 people will get flu.That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year. We live with it. Mostly old folks.But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in addition to the regular flu.Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com> wrote:
Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.--On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those present it also present statistics--On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).
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