What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO they
sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking datasheets.
I thought it was all smoke and mirrors. I still used it on occasion,
because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to point link for $300
and some times there are uses for that.
I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with
what it really was. "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your datasheet
doesn't actually support that claim, boys. More smoke and mirrors. I
can see how the price would be compelling in the right scenario, but
they could present it honestly and still sell it.
Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. It
needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would want is on
the roadmap already. I was messing with an AirCube and I like that
too. I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that
too. I feel like they've finally grown up. I'm still very alert for
"smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty happy with these more recent
products.
I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed just
shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a billion in
more recent years. They haven't been an "underdog" for at least a
decade. Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue that Ubiquiti does.
On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my
buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings
about supporting the underdog.
Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog
because they have now become like everyone else.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the
Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before
they start offering piecemeal parts again.
Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they
thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods
around the conference table, after seeing all the glossy charts
with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs and Moneybags.
Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they
would sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8
miles, you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish. Right
now, you have to buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you
have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. Horribly wasteful.
Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11. They
are really screwed right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior
products - something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They
jacked the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been
non-existent since November/December which was the last time I
was able to order stand alone AF11 radios. Now a rumor they
will never sell them again without their crappy dish? Which BTW
has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple
years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz
channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a
AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile
AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4
mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz.
Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always
emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have.
Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full
duplex for $5200 out the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link
will only do 2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic because
they are sold out.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so
that the AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
From Streakwave? They're the one's that told me
this morning they were never going to get them.
On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but
it was during the change of the model number of
the standalone radio. Now that the model number
for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a
bit higher, but they are once again available.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com> <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
wrote:
One distributor I talked to said they were
being told by UBNT that their Single Radio order
would never be fulfilled....
On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is
available as a stand-alone SKU.
https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
Chuck
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Why in the world would you buy crappy radios
from a crappy company that likes to
frivolously sue its customers and
distributors? They also seem to like to
discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
Not gonna build my business model around a
crappy company like that.
2 cents
-Sean
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I've heard a rumor that the only way to
buy an AF11 radio now is in a
kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.
Single radios cannot be
purchased. How can you keep spares of
equipment if that's the case?
The price has gone up too. We were
getting bare radios for $585 last
year. Now if you break the cost out of
the Dishes and Diplexers from
the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio.
And places that have bare radios
listed in their online stores (but have
no stock) have a single radio in
the $900 range.
Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd
party Antenna market? Or were they
having problems interfacing to other
dishes because of their unique N
connector method? The part that really
annoys me is that I can't just
have spare radios sitting on the shelf.
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