Two ways to fix it...change the constitution or stop using those company’s
services until they change their behavior. I don’t know which would be
easier.
-Sean
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:49 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic
>>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> die. They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working. Even if it were working,
>>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>>>> infection. And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>>>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>>>>>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>>>>>> production. Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>>>>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population. And not
>>>>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats. And the interesting
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>>>>>> beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>>>>>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>>>>>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>>>>>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>>>>>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>>>>>> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
>>>>>> million, I would be more encouraged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: image]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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