Run a whole house UPS, get a couple of these 8KW units.
http://www.outbackpower.com/products/integrated-systems/flexpower-radian

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there
> was a battery fault.  Combine that with batteries in a non controlled space
> and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and you can
> see a dead battery pretty rapidly.  Those things are time bombs.  If you're
> changing batteries on a schedule you're resetting the clock on the time
> bomb, but that baby is still ticking.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Smart vs Back operate differently.  Probably the most annoying one, is
> that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is
> bad.  So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery
> is a little old.
>
> XL is faster charger, yes.  That recovers battery voltage when the power
> comes on.  I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but
> in my experience it stays up when it's back up.
>
> As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually.
> It works at 100% of AC sites.  In a couple data center like sites I do have
> the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall.
>
> Josh Luthman
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> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or
>> not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger.  But I
>> guess that’s for tower sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a
>> battery change every 3-5 years.  They had several different model numbers
>> but all looked similar.  The larger tower models always seemed to get
>> swollen batteries that would get wedged inside.  The best SmartUPS model
>> for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL.  Those didn’t seem to destroy
>> batteries like the tower models.
>>
>>
>>
>> What problems did you have with the BackUPS models?  For a home UPS you
>> probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I regretted
>> it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great
>> to
>> > us over the years.
>> >
>> > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.
>>
>>
>> I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.
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