Any network built by an idiot is garbage, no matter what technology they use. 




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----- Original Message -----

From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Ken Hohhof" 
<af...@kwisp.com> 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:37:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future 

Well... except that I'd argue fiber isn't that "future proof". 

I purchased an ISP that came with an outdoor fiber network. That 
outdoor network was MM with repeaters ever few blocks, because well MM. 

That entire network is useless..... so....... I submit that as Exhibit 
A, your honor. 

On 1/19/20 10:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 
> I think that is the right answer, but the government seems to have fallen out 
> of love with fiber and is smitten with mobile wireless, which in their future 
> will replace everything. 
> 
> The right answer may not prevail, in the face of power and money. 
> 
> Once upon a time we focused on 20 and 30 year infrastructure solutions. Look 
> at how easily you can upgrade a fiber network. Then look at what it took to 
> go from 2G to 3G to 4G to 5G, and imagine having to do that for 20-30 more 
> years, through 6G and 7G and 8G and beyond. Where all that spectrum will come 
> from, who knows. No similar problem exists with fiber. 
> 
> The ironic thing is that the biggest stumbling block to rural millimeter wave 
> based 5G would be running fiber to all those towers. If you're going to run 
> fiber to everybody's personal cell tower (because the houses are half a mile 
> apart), why not just run the fiber to their house. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM 
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future 
> 
> Right now on fiber we're blinking the light on and off like the people a 
> hundred years ago sending morse code by blinking a radio on and off. 
> 
> Right now you can run 9600 gbps with commercial off the shelf hardware, 
> blinking 96 different colored lights. Some day you'll have one set of optics 
> running all those wavelengths at the same time and modulating them all. Then 
> that one fiber will carry tens of thousands of gigabits per second. 
> 
> I don't know if that's "future proof" enough for the long haul, but it ought 
> to be good enough for the next 30 years I should think. 
> 
> -Adam 
> 
> 
> On 1/19/2020 9:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
>> I don’t know why, but this evening got me thinking about broadband delivery 
>> over the past 30 years and the future of broadband. 
>> 
>> First we had nothing, then along came dial-up and that was amazing and many 
>> companies sprung up offering the service. Giants like AOL and Prodigy. 
>> 
>> Then DSL and Cable came along as well as wireless and dial-up has all but 
>> died. 
>> 
>> Now DSL is basically dead, cable and wireless have gone through several 
>> iterations and we are seeing a push to fiber. 
>> 
>> What’s the possibility in the next 10 years cable and wireless will be dead 
>> technologies with fiber at the fore front? Possibly. 
>> 
>> But then..... is fiber really future proof? We are talking about investing 
>> hundreds of millions into fiber infrastructure, because it’s “the future”. 
>> But is it? 
>> 
>> So far every technology delivery mechanism to date has become obsolete in as 
>> little as 6-10 years. 
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