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On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 6:22 AM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> I'll give you guys the hookup
>
>
> https://batteryhookup.com
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 5:59 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I am laboring under that same assumption.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2019 7:09 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
>>
>>
>> I didn't think you could put Lithium on a dumb float charger.  I thought
>> they needed special electronics.  I'm happy to be educated if I'm wrong
>> there.
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2019 8:06 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> Whatever you do don't use lead acid lithium batteries of varying
>> chemistry's are available second-hand extremely lightly-used for the exact
>> same price per watt hour and they will last long enough to put them in your
>> will
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 10:50 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point, I'll have to confirm that with them.
>>> On 12/19/2019 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope that Edgepoint doesn’t fry if the input is 1 or 2 volts above 54
>>> VDC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it sees the unregulated battery string voltage, normally you want an
>>> upper limit of 56 volts.  60 would be even better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could live with either AC or 48V, but 48V would be convenient.
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the Ubiquiti EdgePoint EP-S16.  It takes a 54V DC input,
>>> has SFP+ uplink ports and twelve 802.3af/at ports.  I don't actually expect
>>> to use every port, but in theory you could  load that up to over 300W, and
>>> if I make sure to size the UPS for the switch then it's more idiot proof
>>> when people come along and add stuff.
>>>
>>> Ubiquiti has a 54V UPS module now, and you can put in 2+0 150W power
>>> supplies for 300W total, but it's an indoor case and operating temp only
>>> down to 0c.  By the time I put that in a heated outdoor box it doesn't look
>>> too attractive anymore.
>>>
>>> I'm very familiar with the Traco and similar products.  It would just be
>>> hard to beat $650 for a complete system using modular DIN components in a
>>> box.  There's also something to be said for the simplicity of one part on
>>> the BOM.
>>>
>>> Of course I could use the smaller EdgePoint, but then I don't have the
>>> 10Gig uplink.
>>>
>>> I'm checking with Cyberpower on what happens in an overload
>>> condition...maybe the guy who adds one AP too many will realize his mistake
>>> very quickly.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2019 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> You are looking at 48VDC output, or AC with a 48V battery string?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that unit seems to have around 700 watt hours of batteries, not
>>> bad, but if you are running 300W or 600W of loads, it’s not going to give
>>> you much runtime without adding more batteries.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a couple Alpha Micro350 systems at some small sites, which looks
>>> physically similar, but that’s AC output.  We only use them at small sites
>>> because it’s not enough batteries for a large site.  Normally we would put
>>> a Traco TSP BCM48 and a TSP360-148 or TSP600-148 in the same enclosure with
>>> our other DIN rail equipment and maybe a bunch of 100 Ah batteries in a
>>> separate battery box.  Or maybe 4 x 22 Ah batteries in the same enclosure,
>>> if we don’t need a lot of runtime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:33 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hes building out UPS in a box
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:30 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a particular item I should ask him about?
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2019 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> talk to matt at CTI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/fttx/outdoor/cs150u48v3/
>>>
>>> I tripped over this guy the other day.  They're $650-700 retail and
>>> frankly, that's really not a bad price for a one-and-done 48V outdoor
>>> power system.
>>>
>>> <whining>
>>>
>>> ....but 150W is pretty small.  I wish there was a 300W or 600W option.
>>> Why does it seem like every product I want is a white whale and that
>>> every vendor has something that's like 90% of the way there, but not
>>> quite perfect?
>>>
>>> </whining>
>>>
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