I am laboring under that same assumption.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 7:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
I didn't think you could put Lithium on a dumb float charger. I thought they
needed special electronics. I'm happy to be educated if I'm wrong there.
On 12/19/2019 8:06 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Whatever you do don't use lead acid lithium batteries of varying chemistry's
are available second-hand extremely lightly-used for the exact same price per
watt hour and they will last long enough to put them in your will
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 10:50 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good point, I'll have to confirm that with them.
On 12/19/2019 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I hope that Edgepoint doesn’t fry if the input is 1 or 2 volts above 54
VDC.
If it sees the unregulated battery string voltage, normally you want an
upper limit of 56 volts. 60 would be even better.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
I could live with either AC or 48V, but 48V would be convenient.
I'm looking at the Ubiquiti EdgePoint EP-S16. It takes a 54V DC input,
has SFP+ uplink ports and twelve 802.3af/at ports. I don't actually expect to
use every port, but in theory you could load that up to over 300W, and if I
make sure to size the UPS for the switch then it's more idiot proof when people
come along and add stuff.
Ubiquiti has a 54V UPS module now, and you can put in 2+0 150W power
supplies for 300W total, but it's an indoor case and operating temp only down
to 0c. By the time I put that in a heated outdoor box it doesn't look too
attractive anymore.
I'm very familiar with the Traco and similar products. It would just be
hard to beat $650 for a complete system using modular DIN components in a box.
There's also something to be said for the simplicity of one part on the BOM.
Of course I could use the smaller EdgePoint, but then I don't have the
10Gig uplink.
I'm checking with Cyberpower on what happens in an overload
condition...maybe the guy who adds one AP too many will realize his mistake
very quickly.
-Adam
On 12/19/2019 3:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
You are looking at 48VDC output, or AC with a 48V battery string?
Note that unit seems to have around 700 watt hours of batteries, not
bad, but if you are running 300W or 600W of loads, it’s not going to give you
much runtime without adding more batteries.
We have a couple Alpha Micro350 systems at some small sites, which
looks physically similar, but that’s AC output. We only use them at small
sites because it’s not enough batteries for a large site. Normally we would
put a Traco TSP BCM48 and a TSP360-148 or TSP600-148 in the same enclosure with
our other DIN rail equipment and maybe a bunch of 100 Ah batteries in a
separate battery box. Or maybe 4 x 22 Ah batteries in the same enclosure, if
we don’t need a lot of runtime.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 1:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor UPS
hes building out UPS in a box
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:30 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is there a particular item I should ask him about?
On 12/19/2019 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
talk to matt at CTI
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:27 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/fttx/outdoor/cs150u48v3/
I tripped over this guy the other day. They're $650-700 retail
and
frankly, that's really not a bad price for a one-and-done 48V
outdoor
power system.
<whining>
....but 150W is pretty small. I wish there was a 300W or 600W
option.
Why does it seem like every product I want is a white whale and
that
every vendor has something that's like 90% of the way there, but
not
quite perfect?
</whining>
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