Matt,

It sounds like you're almost running a charity if you're spending $12,500
to service 10 customers. At least for a wisp, that's alot. In a ftth build
in rural areas, that might only connect 2 homes and that's why they wait
for government subsidies.

We choose to run a profitable business and a 10 customer POP should be
under $3,000 or we won't build it.

I guess over the years, my mindset has changed from trying to connect
everyone, to just connecting the most profitable customers. I don't want
the highest marketshare, I want the most profit and efficiency. For us,
this means we only deploy 5ghz now and have stopped using 2.4. We've never
used 900 or 3.65 either.

We're a mostly epmp network with LTU backhauls and af11 where needed for
more capacity. But some of those 11ghz links are hitting 600 mbps so the
next step is probably deploying aviat links at 1.4 gbps full duplex.

My point is, existing customer usage is increasing but they're not paying
us any more. The equipment I deploy should last 3-4 years but some of it is
being maxed out after less than 2 years due to increasing usage. Someone
has to pay for it and it shouldn't be us. I'll replace it after 4 years but
if customers don't want congestion and their usage is what's causing it,
they should be the ones to pay for the extra upgrades we have to perform
ahead of our forecast schedule.

Making the heavy users pay more is what will fund these early upgrades to
our infrastructure. Now I started this business for fun and to bring
internet to rural areas but over the last 7 years, I've switched more to
the business side of thinking. So raising prices, pushing bad customers to
the competition, paying for things to improve the customer experience like
Calix and preseem, etc. We're trying to be profitable, not pushovers. Since
we've raised prices and added 1 year contracts, we've never been busier and
we're booked out 4 weeks on installs.

It seems like every time we do something that benefits us and that one may
perceive as not customer friendly, we get even busier as new customers
perceive more value in the services we provide. There's something to be
said about "you get what you pay for". We've only seen positive things
happen when we raise prices. Profit goes up, sales increase, and word of
mouth referrals as well. It's very weird to me but it's what happens.

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 9:50 AM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:

> How is that totally blocked?  I can see the roof and a food portion of it?
>
> On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Actually it’s more the people on low ground with big trees 360 degrees
> that don’t have LOS to anything.  If they want to build a 100 ft tower, we
> can get them service.  So you could call it a last mile problem, but not in
> the sense you probably mean it.  More of a chainsaw problem.
>
>
>
> They just took for granted that Metronet was nice enough to run fiber down
> the street where they used to live, but I’ll bet there were more than 2
> houses per mile there.  At their new house they have well and septic and a
> propane tank, maybe they also need to pay for satellite TV and learn to
> program the DVR.  The elderly couple they bought the house from probably
> didn’t need superfast Internet.
>
>
>
> Example, the photo I’m attaching.  Of the telephoto photos from all 3 of
> our nearby towers, this is the only thing we could see.  Their house is
> totally blocked, because they are on low ground surrounded by trees.  This
> is the peak of an old 40 ft barn with a steep roof that has huge holes that
> have fallen in only the top of the barn roof is visible in the photo).
>
>
>
> They can see the southern sky and could get Hughesnet.  Or wait for LEO
> service.  Or for the government to pay for fiber.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
>
>
> Where is your pain point? Last mile, middle mile, something else?
>
>
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 16, 2019 11:31:12 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] tired of entitled streamers
>
> Anybody else losing their patience with streamers?
>
>
>
> The people who just moved from somewhere they had gigabit fiber to the
> middle of nowhere in a low spot surrounded by tons of trees, and say they
> stream all their TV on 3-4 screens at the same time.
>
>
>
> I want to yell at them, if you had affordable blazing fast Internet, and
> it’s that important to you, why did you move?  And if you had to move, why
> didn’t you move to a nice suburb with fiber or at least cable?  And why do
> you have to stream everything?  You could get satellite TV.  Yes, it’s
> expensive, get over it.  You could put up a TV antenna.  You could get DVDs
> by mail.  Or if moving to the country was so important, you could go out on
> the ATV or horse or snowmobile, or go hunting, or feed the chickens and
> mini goats.  If they’re streaming all the time, I have to suspect the
> reason for moving to Green Acres was to save on property taxes, and the
> reason for streaming is to avoid paying $200/month to DirecTV or DISH.
>
>
>
> It’s gotten so  bad, a significant number of prospective customers say
> they only want Internet to stream, anything else they can do on their
> phone.  And when a streaming subscription is sub $10 (or free with Amazon
> Prime), they’re thinking Internet is like shipping, it shouldn’t cost more
> than the item being delivered.
>
>
>
> I know, “OK boomer”.
>
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