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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
I've always felt that twin engine private aircraft doubles the probability of
an engine-out emergency. The problem is that anyone who is not a full time
pilot is too unpracticed to determine WHICH engine is out fast enough to fix
the problem before it gets out of control.
Better in my mind to have one engine, and know exactly what you need to do.
bp
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On 11/12/2019 10:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> https://youtu.be/s3LrsvaCUoo
>
> Amazing.
>
> Two previous flights had the same problem. And the pilots figured out
> how to turn off the trim on those flights.
>
> Why did they not take the aircraft out of service with either of the
> two previous problem flights.
> Whole cascade of problems.
>
> Runaway trim is no fun. Lots of yoke pressure needed while your brain
> catches up with the aircraft. Then once you figure it off and kill
> the trim, you still have to maintain yoke pressure while you manually
> spin it back.
>
> I had it happen going into Monterey once. Snuck up on me as the
> autopilot was attempting to keep altitude while power was reduced.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 10:58 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
>
> The point of pilot inputs stronger then MCAS was the whole debate.
> When originally installed MCAS was weaker, then modified at the last
> minute. For some of the best info on MCAS, follow the blancoliro
> channel on youtube. You will get up to speed on the whole shebang...
>
> On 11/12/2019 09:02 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> It was more than just software. AOA sensors can malfunction. The mere
>> fact they made AOA sensor redundancy optional opened the door to this
>> fiasco.
>>
>> The other issue that doesn't get enough attention is pilot
>> training/proficiency. When automatic systems hit boundary conditions,
>> it helps to know what your options are.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 11/12/2019 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Nobody mentions the Airbus angle of attack sensors that caused a
>>> Lufthansa to almost crash.
>>> They had the luxury of altitude or it would have been a similar
>>> disaster.
>>> According to the interwebs, AOA sensors have caused 50 similar type
>>> of situations in the past five years over a wide spectrum of aircraft.
>>> Apparently one brand fails more than another common brand.
>>> Sensor failure happens. Software can make it less or more of a
>>> problem. Training can make it non fatal.
>>> The MCAS software was to blame here.
>>> I also do not believe that any automated control input system should
>>> be stronger than the pilots.
>>> Moreover, if the pilots are putting in an input opposite that of an
>>> onboard system, something should disconnect the onboard system
>>> automatically I would think.
>>> Imagine getting into a wrestling match with your Tesla that decided
>>> to take an off ramp.
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
>>>
>>> Yup. Moving those engines forward to make clearance was a change
>>> that really narrowed the CG box. My own thought was to figure out a
>>> way to make the landing gear longer without affecting the CG. Oh
>>> well. They made their bed...
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2019 8:15 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>>> The newer high efficiency engines are too big to fit under the
>>>> wings. The engineers told them it wouldn't work. The original plan
>>>> was to start working on designing a new plane, but they were afraid
>>>> of losing business to neo so the engineers were told to make it
>>>> work. In order to do this, they pushed the engines up and mostly in
>>>> front of the wing which pushed CG forward and moved center of
>>>> thrust. This lead to a plane that needs a much narrower flight
>>>> envelope, i.e it doesn't want to fly in a lot of attitudes where a
>>>> real 737 is fine.
>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:48 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why do you believe it is inherently flawed?
>>>> It is a 737, the airframe with the best track record on the
>>>> planet.
>>>> It is too bad they did not have a voting/contention algorithm
>>>> between the two angle of attack sensors and chose to only use
>>>> one
>>>> as the authoritative source. That was a boneheaded coding
>>>> decision. The other sensor had live data on the network that
>>>> was
>>>> there for the using.
>>>> It is too bad the pilots failed to absorb the training update
>>>> telling them to switch off the system when it was causing
>>>> control
>>>> inputs that were obviously wrong.
>>>> It is too bad the pilots did not simply switch it off. I have
>>>> had runaway trim motors try to do this to me before and that is
>>>> something you learn during primary training.
>>>> Even then, you can recover almost all upsets with
>>>> “push-power-rudder-roll-climb”.
>>>> It is too bad that Boeing did not immediately tell operators to
>>>> cease using that system after the first crash.
>>>> But this is just one system amongst hundreds on the aircraft,
>>>> all
>>>> tried and true for many years.
>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 7:18 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
>>>> The Max is inherently flawed and I'd generally say don't bet on
>>>> things with inherent flaws. Think F35 and how long it took to
>>>> get that kind of sort of right. The CG is too far forward.
>>>> Perhaps if they stretched the aft section a little and swept the
>>>> wings back a little but then it wouldn't be a 737 anymore.
>>>> I have an idea of building up a list of ISPs with rural
>>>> exposure
>>>> and shorting them because Sarlink is going to blow up a lot of
>>>> their business model. In particular, I'd look for double
>>>> play
>>>> ISPs with ARPU above about 75.
>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Boeing is going to have a good year. The MAX 737 saga is
>>>> coming to an end and their while system will be better
>>>> because of it. And then it will be forgotten. Just like
>>>> VW
>>>> emissions testing...
>>>> Even so, I am going to stick with my super high priced
>>>> index
>>>> fund. It is at a historical high and I still dumped more
>>>> money into it.
>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2019 8:26 PM
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
>>>>
>>>> Something like 6 months ago my financial advisor convinced
>>>> me
>>>> to sell my GM stock and buy Boeing. I’ve suspected I did
>>>> something stupid ever since. Getting out of GM was
>>>> probably
>>>> OK, but I think Boeing has plenty of room to drop. I am
>>>> afraid investors may dump BA as end of year approaches to
>>>> clean up their portfolio or take tax losses, and in any
>>>> case,
>>>> they are not looking like a well run company.
>>>>
>>>> So if you want to double down on your Moviepass adventure,
>>>> you could buy a bunch of Boeing.
>>>>
>>>> Or how about Frontier Communications? A bargain at less
>>>> than
>>>> $1. 5 years ago they were at $100. Bloomberg article a
>>>> couple days ago says they are looking for a new CEO ahead
>>>> of
>>>> an expected bankruptcy filing. Which was totally
>>>> predictable
>>>> when they took on a mountain of debt to buy all the areas
>>>> that Verizon and AT&T didn’t want. It has to be bottoming
>>>> out. No where to go but up, right?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>>>> McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2019 9:03 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT bad stock tips
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of following up my strategic Moviepass
>>>> investment with one in PG&E. It has to be bottoming out.
>>>> No
>>>> where to go but up, right?
>>>>
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