Coke Zero simply tastes better than the other two. Coke Zero Sugar tastes very
much like regular Coke and Diet Coke tastes like Diet Coke. duh
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 2:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
Instead of “Retro”, how about “Classic” for the old form factor. And the 450b
could be “New”.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. Actually what you’re talking about is more like New
Coke in the old can.
Now if someone could just explain to me the difference between Diet Coke, Coke
Zero, and Coke Zero Sugar.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I see nearly everything from you guys… and do my best to listen and respond.
We will for sure need actual beta testing for these things. As I said, I don’t
have a real schedule yet, but when I do, I will reach out to a few of you guys
(the “Lifers” 😉).
Thanks to all for your continued support!
Matt
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ryan Hill
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
Attention Matt!
Can you confirm you’ve received the last few emails from the Cambium Lifers:) ?
I’d like to add that it would be advantageous fort you to give the Lifers an
opportunity to help you in the design and testing process. Real world
deployments and installations are the best way to find out how your products
work. Just having the engineer test is great for the initial design phase
under ideal circumstances. Once you get closer to the final design having the
prototypes tested under real conditions would be a good thing. We would really
welcome being involved in that phase, and I think I speak for most that saw a
real miss with the 450b High Gain for those exact reasons.
#CambiumRocks .
Ryan Hill
Operations Manager
Amplex Internet
(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
www.amplex.net
On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I think a 25 dBi antenna would be a standard customer install.
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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:05:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal market segment
that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+ SNR for 256QAM then
you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for anybody who's done the math.
On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Matt,
The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would be even
better if you make it so the internal unit antenna is specifically designed to
properly illuminate a reflector dish.
The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always something of
a kludge that worked but was not optimal. I don’t see any point in designing
the unit with a patch antenna intended for short range use as there are
other/better products in the lineup to serve that purpose. Having a unit
that is optimized for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we have
in the field would be great.
Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport horn
adapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.
If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has taught us
over the years is that you can’t have too much gain and directionality in your
client antennas. it’s really the secret to why fixed wireless in unlicensed
works so well. The 450b high gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing.
Having the option to cleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome.
Mark
On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
Also, to set the record a straight(er)…
The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed
have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).
The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro.
As Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have
a release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power,
the wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already out
there, and be reasonably priced.
This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs
that are deployed already with those reflector dishes.
Matt
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a
900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like? SMA
connectors on top like the 900 MHz SM? N pigtails out bottom like the old one?
Twistport adapter?
I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was
nice enough to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails
dressed just perfect. Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal
from a drip loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless
you believe in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or
custom length coax jumpers.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring
2020. Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized
and triband for like $250'ish !!!
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was
coming Q1 2020.
Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s
pretty much in “we are considering it” phase.
Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no
longer have a connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish,
and many of us have encountered performance problems with the integrated
antenna in the 450b high gain. And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs,
they lack the CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b.
Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite
APs. If we haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I
generally prefer to replace them with a 450i AP. It’s just so confusing having
a mix of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has
a more capable CPU. So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, you
can upgrade the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick -
Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high gain is now
slated for 1st qtr2020.
I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use
with reflectors. That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming
is a connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a
reflector dish.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will
be coming out.
(actual SM)
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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
To make more money comrade.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license
keys.
If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license
key - that model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware.
There’s no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit.
If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still
make a profit, why is the key needed to unlock features?
On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on
streakwave's website there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE
and can be upgraded to full capacity with a key upgrade.
Cambium C050045AL02B
5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
The LITE version will function exactly as the existing
PMP 450i AP but it will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key
can be purchased to remove this restriction.
https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B&eq=&Tp=&o1=0
I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM
limit instead of 10. And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too.
AWESOME
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