Matt is 450i-LITE going to have the same 2 mile max distance restriction as the MicroPOP? If not that is still a good reason to have the LITE around in addition to be able to afford to fully sectorize a tower from day 1 instead of starting out with a omni like we have been doing. Because of the increased noise on 5ghz we are seeing more situations where we have to sectorize from day 1 versus years ago we could have got by with the omni.
Also I pray that you release the 450 retro design. I have actually been buying used 450 just to stay away from the new 450b design but eventually there will be no more used 450 to buy which i am dreading that day if there is no retro released. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:32 AM Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > Also, to set the record a straight(er)… > > > > The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed > have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM). > > > > The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As > Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have > a release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing > power, the wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are > already out there, and be reasonably priced. > > > > This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs > that are deployed already with those reflector dishes. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > 450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a > 900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5 > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like? SMA connectors > on top like the 900 MHz SM? N pigtails out bottom like the old one? > Twistport adapter? > > > > I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice > enough to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails > dressed just perfect. Also putting coax connectors on the top is not > optimal from a drip loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to > waterproof unless you believe in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive > to third party or custom length coax jumpers. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > I asked him right after I saw you post about it. > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020. > Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and > triband for like $250'ish !!! > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1 > 2020. > > > > Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much > in “we are considering it” phase. > > > > Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have > a connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many > of us have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in > the 450b high gain. And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they > lack the CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b. > > > > Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs. > If we haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally > prefer to replace them with a 450i AP. It’s just so confusing having a mix > of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a > more capable CPU. So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, > you can upgrade the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high gain is now slated for > 1st qtr2020. > > > > I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with > reflectors. That’s in the “we are considering it” phase. > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > 450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a > connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector > dish. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming > out. > > (actual SM) > > > > *Tyson Burris, President* > *Internet Communications Inc.* > *739 Commerce Dr.* > *Franklin, IN 46131* > > *Daytime #* *317-738-0320 * > *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * > *Online: **www.surfici.net* > <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surfici.net&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710388714&sdata=62yFXyfGbsfwieXeYJvggtVXvHA4XHQyTpXVeKyRj90%3D&reserved=0> > > > > <image001.png> > > *What can ICI do for you?* > > > *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP > Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* > > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* > *addressee shown. It contains information that is* > *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* > *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* > *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* > *prohibited.* > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > To make more money comrade. > > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit > > > > I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys. > > > > If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that > model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. > There’s no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit. > > > > If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still make a > profit, why is the key needed to unlock features? > > > On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's > website there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be > upgraded to full capacity with a key upgrade. > > > Cambium C050045AL02B > 5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE > > PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE > > The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it > will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be > purchased to remove this restriction. > > https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B&eq=&Tp=&o1=0 > <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreakwave.com%2Fitemdesc.asp%3Fic%3DC050045AL02B%26eq%3D%26Tp%3D%26o1%3D0&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710398706&sdata=F40iKZdQsr9%2Ba4QziE5Idt5ztpuhz5jwl28QTRA%2FWHE%3D&reserved=0> > > I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of > 10. 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