I shouldn't be so cruel.  If we all knew everything then we wouldn't need each other.  I'm probably a WAN weenie when I fumble with Active Directory.

On 10/15/2019 2:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

New term for my vocabulary – LAN weenie.

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2019 1:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] asymmetric routing paths

Yeah a router only knows the next hop for a packet not the sequence of hops it took to get where it is.  Consequently if you pick any two Internet connections and tracert the path in both directions there's a very strong chance the path is asymmetric. It's normal and ok.  Or in other words, it's ok as long as one path isn't weaker than the other.

I've had one or two LAN weenies talk to me about an asymmetric routing "issue", and I just smile and nod and go hunt for the real problem.

On 10/15/2019 2:02 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    Normally no issue, the interwebs is asymmetric as it was pointed
    out to me. every time ive come across an issue i suspected was
    related to asymmetry it ended up being something else, like MTU
    somewhere. We still have split prefixes between providers and some
    on both. Moving the customer lo a locked one resolves, moving to
    other resolves, but then it ends up being something unrelated.
    Assuming both upstream are sufficient for performance

    On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 12:55 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
    <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

        I have cases where traffic to some customers comes in via
        upstream provider A but the return traffic exits my network
        via upstream provider B.

        What kind of problems if any can this cause?

        I have assumed there is no guarantee that upstream and
        downstream traffic takes the same path across the Internet,
        even without being dual homed, so this should be fine as long
        as traffic flows both directions, it shouldn’t matter what
        path it takes. But I’m having to go out to a customer whose
        kid complains he can’t do anything not even websites (but I
        suspect it comes down to something gaming related) yet their
        Internet connection appears to be 100% from all my tests and I
        see them streaming Netflix for hours at a time at 9-10 Mbps. 
        I am hesitant to send a field tech because I don’t know what
        to tell him to do.

        I’m just inquiring about the asymmetric routing  because I’m
        grasping at straws for what to look for when I’m on site.

        Did I mention I hate the divorced parent situation where the
        dad gets the kid X days a week and every other weekend, and
        all the kid does is play online games and bitch that the
        Internet isn’t as good as at the other parent’s house?  But in
        this case he’s claiming it just flat out doesn’t work, and the
        dad doesn’t know anything.

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