We used to have everything behind NAT except for customers that paid for a static IP, so we were essentially charging extra for a public IP. It was also a static IP, so it wasn't quite the same as charging for a public dynamic IP, but most people just needed it for game consoles, and they didn't really care about it being static. There were a surprisingly large number of customers that had no problem paying extra for it, if you told them that's what they needed for their xbox to work right.
But it got rid of a lot of weird random problems and made my life a lot easier when switched all of our customers to dynamic public IPs. It's well worth just paying for the IP space to do it right, in my opinion. The biggest problem we ran into using private IPs were game consoles, but there was certainly the odd issue here and there with all those other things as well. Not to mention things like websites blocking IPs because they see too many connections coming from it... I imagine proper CG-NAT would help with a lot of that stuff, but that wasn't a thing back then. Doing CG-NAT plus dual stack IPv6 would probably also work pretty well. On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 6:50 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Need to differentiate between public IP and static IP. ISPs typically > provide a dynamic public IP as part of the service, but charge extra for a > static public IP or a block. All our customers get a public IP, and we > include one static IP for business accounts. Residential we charge $10/mo > for one static, if they want a block they have to get business service. I > wouldn’t think of trying to charge extra for a dynamic public IP, in other > words to not be behind NAT with a bunch of other customers. Not sure if > things would be different if you offered true CG-NAT. > > > > Note that dynamic IPs don’t help with the situation of not having enough > public IP space, the way the Internet works now, almost every customer will > be using a pool address all the time. Also note that many cable and phone > companies dynamic IPs go for years without changing, but it’s not > guaranteed. > > > > So are any of you charging extra just to have a dynamic public IP? What > is your local competition like that you can get away with that? I would > think it would create a lot of support issues with things like VPNs, game > consoles, microcells, VoIP phones, etc. not working. Not just cameras. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 10:57 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN > > > > The reason no one recommends this is because it's a workaround with very > negative performance issues. Instead of hitting the internet right after it > leaves your network, the VPN goes who knows where first then goes to the > internet. You could be adding up to 80ms of latency to all user traffic > depending on where the VPN server is for the service your customers use. It > will also negatively affect speedtests, gaming, voip, everything. > > > > It's already hard enough keeping customers happy when they're on-network > and now you want them to run all their traffic over VPN, just so they can > have a public ip? Sounds like a ton more work and more issues when you as > the ISP should be providing them a public IP as an option even if they have > to pay extra. We charge $10 per month. > > > > Just do the right thing and go buy a /24 block for $4k and be done with > it. > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 10:15 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: > > im surprised no-one has tried to do this before and able to give a firm > answer > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:24 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Perhaps if they knew how much money I am losing ... > > > > *From:* castarritt > > *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 3:19 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN > > > > You should call them and explain why you need more. Demand to speak to a > supervisor! That always gets stuff done. > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > But that’s all Comcast will give me. > > > > *From:* TJ Trout > > *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 1:48 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN > > > > Doesn't really work when you are natting a bunch of customers behind a > single ipv4 > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:45 PM Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dynamic DNS works great and can still be had pretty cheaply. I think there > are a few out there that still do free accounts. > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:33 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Having more and more customers requesting public IP space for things like > camera systems. Do not have enough to go around here most customers are on > double NAT with 10.x.x.x on their router WAN port. I see there are VPN > services available like NordVPN where a customer can rent their own public > IP and have a VPN tunnel to get it to them. If the customer purchases their > own router does that VPN tunnel work going through a double NAT? 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