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The only potentially legitimate issue is with the bootloader, and
then only with regard to version. The old bootloader was open
source GNU, and would load anything. Rolling back to an old
bootloader would be all you have to do to avoid the hacking claim.
bp
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On 8/16/2018 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett
wrote:
We'll see what facts come out in court I suppose.
If there was actual hacking or reverse engineering going on then
Ubiquiti has a case. If it's just loading a different Linux build
on the same hardware, then I don't think they do.
They would feel compelled to try to protect their investment in
either case.
-Adam
On 8/15/2018 8:26 AM, Jeremy wrote:
Afaik it was still possible on OFDM, albeit with
a JTAG. 4meg to 20meg, SM to AP, etc. Still, it is a very
similar argument and they also got lawyers involved.
The point is simply that the licensing
agreement on both vendors have limitations on what you are
allowed to do with the hardware and software. I am pretty
sure that public posts on how to dump firmware, modify or
replace firmware, and load different firmware is prohibited
on both vendor's devices. I am certain that they would sue
me if I publicly detailed the process to do so, WISP owner
or not. Whether or not this is warranted is definitely a
matter of debate, likely best left up to the courts.
I suspect Cambium wouldn't care a whole lot
at this point, since that hardware is all pretty much
obsolete. If you did something like turning a PMP450 SM
into a PTP450, then you might get a lawsuit.
It survived a reboot with one more minor
change, and a little bird told me that it was possible
on v11 as well. I wonder, if I show you all how to do
it simply with a JTAG if I'd get a lawsuit. I would
bet you money that the lawsuit would hit very
swiftly. Perhaps I am wrong. Cambium, do you mind if
someone sends these WISPs down the rabbit hole, or is
this a one-sided argument? Does your license
agreement allow me to reverse engineer Cambium radios,
as a WISP, and then show my fellow colleagues how I
can do it?
I'd
agree with most of this, however I do think their
decision to go after a WISP was a mistake.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeremy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Read the licensing agreement on
both provider's radios. You will find that UBNT
we're well within their right to sue, and I am
honestly surprised that it did not happen
sooner. The attitude of 'I own it, and can do
what I want with it', doesn't hold up according
to both of their licensing agreements.
You may recall when vendors and
customers were changing a couple of
hexadecimal digits in order to turn Canopy SMs
into APs. As I recall, this went on for a
long time, and only stopped because Cambium
sent their lawyers after everyone involved.
This issue is pretty cut and
dry, and UBNT are well within their rights on
this, and will almost certainly prevail in
this lawsuit.
Chuck,
Thank
you for your response and thank you for
the board looking into the matter. Yes an
ultimatum is an extreme position but I
didn't start this, Ubiquiti did.
This
is an extremely serious matter for all the
members so i decided to scream loudly and
publicly, i'm not a politician, just a
business owner that sees our industry
under attack. We are a service
provider association, not a vendor
association and we are nice enough
to let vendors into our group and give
them access to our members. I know they
also supply some much needed funding for
WISPA, but it's a two way street and the
association should be EXTREMELY
concerned when a vendor sues it's own
customer. Yes it will be tried in a
court of law but that doesn't mean WISPA
can't also take action.
I'm
not trying to cause a division, ubiquiti
is at fault for that. I'm just raising
alarm bells that they are attacking us,
their customers.
I
look forward to the board's response.
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