Afaik it was still possible on OFDM, albeit with a JTAG. 4meg to
20meg, SM to AP, etc. Still, it is a very similar argument and they
also got lawyers involved.
The point is simply that the licensing agreement on both vendors have
limitations on what you are allowed to do with the hardware and
software. I am pretty sure that public posts on how to dump firmware,
modify or replace firmware, and load different firmware is prohibited
on both vendor's devices. I am certain that they would sue me if I
publicly detailed the process to do so, WISP owner or not. Whether or
not this is warranted is definitely a matter of debate, likely best
left up to the courts.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 7:15 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I suspect Cambium wouldn't care a whole lot at this point, since
that hardware is all pretty much obsolete. If you did something
like turning a PMP450 SM into a PTP450, then you might get a lawsuit.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:46 PM Jeremy <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It survived a reboot with one more minor change, and a little
bird told me that it was possible on v11 as well. I wonder,
if I show you all how to do it simply with a JTAG if I'd get a
lawsuit. I would bet you money that the lawsuit would hit
very swiftly. Perhaps I am wrong. Cambium, do you mind if
someone sends these WISPs down the rabbit hole, or is this a
one-sided argument? Does your license agreement allow me to
reverse engineer Cambium radios, as a WISP, and then show my
fellow colleagues how I can do it?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 6:39 PM Jason McKemie
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd agree with most of this, however I do think their
decision to go after a WISP was a mistake.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeremy
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Read the licensing agreement on both provider's
radios. You will find that UBNT we're well within
their right to sue, and I am honestly surprised that
it did not happen sooner. The attitude of 'I own it,
and can do what I want with it', doesn't hold up
according to both of their licensing agreements.
You may recall when vendors and customers were
changing a couple of hexadecimal digits in order to
turn Canopy SMs into APs. As I recall, this went on
for a long time, and only stopped because Cambium sent
their lawyers after everyone involved.
This issue is pretty cut and dry, and UBNT are well
within their rights on this, and will almost certainly
prevail in this lawsuit.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 5:34 PM Sean Heskett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Chuck,
Thank you for your response and thank you for the
board looking into the matter. Yes an ultimatum
is an extreme position but I didn't start this,
Ubiquiti did.
This is an extremely serious matter for all the
members so i decided to scream loudly and
publicly, i'm not a politician, just a business
owner that sees our industry under attack. We are
a *service provider association*, not a *vendor
association* and we are nice enough to let vendors
into our group and give them access to our
members. I know they also supply some much needed
funding for WISPA, but it's a two way street and
the association should be *EXTREMELY concerned
when a vendor sues it's own customer*. Yes it will
be tried in a court of law but that doesn't mean
WISPA can't also take action.
I'm not trying to cause a division, ubiquiti is at
fault for that. I'm just raising alarm bells that
they are attacking us, their customers.
I look forward to the board's response.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Chuck Hogg
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sean,
When I joined WISPA, it was for many of the
same reasons you joined. I loved the
community, wanted to be a part of it, and
wanted to ensure that everyone in the WISP
industry is given a fair shake.
I appreciate you raising this issue, although
I wish you would have called me or another
WISPA board member before giving WISPA an
ultimatum on the members’ listserv. I’m
concerned that your approach stokes division
and argument, rather than unity.
Like you, I'm sad that these WISPA members
have been unable to work out the issues
between them and have resorted to duking it
out in court. I hate to see little guys get
caught up in this mess. But as others have
said, we have no idea at this time whether the
allegations are true or false. They're just
allegations at this point.
Nonetheless, these are serious issues, and
you've asked the board to act. We will of
course consider your request, meaning we will
gather what information we can and determine
whether and when we can make an informed and
meaningful decision.
Please feel free to reach out to us directly
as this case continues to unfold.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:46 PM Sean Heskett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
An Open Letter to WISPA, the Board of
Directors and all WISPA members.
Our industry and indeed WISPA itself if
founded on the bedrock of helping one
another to further our industry and our
businesses. This group is a dedicated,
committed group of IT cowboys that try
their hardest to get things done and move
forward. When one of our members suffers
or has difficulty, we are all there to
stand with them and provide whatever help
necessary. When disaster strikes we jump
in and help as in the case of several
hurricanes and bad storms over the years.
We also actively strive to help each other
solve difficult problems whether it be
configuring a server, securing financing,
finding the best hardware solution to
solve a problem or any other myriad of
issues our businesses face the members of
WISPA are there to help! I joined WISPA
because I felt it was a great thing for me
and my business and I want to support
WISPA anyway I can, however our membership
is being attacked from within and I call
on the board to take corrective action
immediately and forcefully!
Ubiquiti Networks has recently sued
Cambium as well as Blip Networks (a fellow
WISP), Winncom Technologies (a WISPA
vendor), Sakid Ahmed (Cambium VP of
engineering) and Dmitry Moiseev (project
engineer at Cambium) over Cambiums
“Elevate technology”. I’ve attached the
legal complaint so you can read all the
details yourself. Basically the group is
accused of “hacking” ubiquiti equipment by
loading a different operating system and
user interface on Ubiquiti subscriber
radios so that they interoperate with
Cambium ePMP access points. This is no
different than someone loading windows on
a Mac, or vise versa someone building a
Hackintosh out of PC parts and loading
MacOS on it. Or more to the point someone
loading DD-WART on a linksys WiFi router.
However, regardless of the merits of the
complaint, what Ubiquiti is doing is a
clear violation of everything that WISPA
stands for!
I’ve also attached the WISPA mission
statement, Goals, Code of ethics, and
Article 8 of the By Laws. Ubiquiti is in
clear violation of all these sections and
*I hear by call on the board to terminate
Ubiquiti’s membership in WISPA. A HOUSE
DIVIDED CANNOT STAND!* We must get rid of
any bad actors amongst us so that we can
continue to accomplish everything WISPA
stands for.
*IT IS EXTREMELY UNNERVING TO SEE UBIQUITI
SUE ONE OF OUR FELLOW WISPS.* What kind
of business actively sues it's own
customers? Who will be next? Our
businesses are too small to be forced to
defend ourselves from this bad actor in
our organization. I fear that any one of
us could be next on the chopping block and
i’ve invested way too much time, energy,
sweat blood and tears to see my business
or a fellow WISP attached by a wall street
company with deep pockets that can sue us
out of existence.
I hope the rest of the membership will
join in signing this letter and that the
board will remove Ubiquiti from our
organization and send a message that we
will not put up with this kind of business
ethics. If the board is unwilling to
remove Ubiquiti then I will be forced to
remove myself and my company from WISPA
because this is not what we stand for.
VERY DISGUSTED,
Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado
970-871-8500 x100 - Office
970-846-8065 - mobile
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MISSION AND GOALS
http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Mission-and-Goals
MISSION STATEMENT:
WISPA works to promote the development,
advancement and unification of the
wireless Internet service provider industry.
WISPA GOALS:
• Encourage Congress and the FCC to write
laws that support the survival and success
of community-based wireless Internet
service providers (WISPs).
• Provide online technical forums that
enable and encourage the sharing and
exchange of information between all the
members of the WISP community.
• Demystify government rules and regulations.
• Publicize, promote, demonstrate and
maintain a Code of Ethical Business Practices.
• Promote and support industry-wide
communication, coordination and
cooperation between local
WISP organizations, national WISP
organizations, community wireless
organizations and wireless industry vendors.
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CODE OF ETHICS
https://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Code-of-Ethics
ARTICLE III
We will publicize our services in a
professional manner upholding the dignity
of our profession. We will avoid all
conduct, practices and promotion likely to
discredit or do injury to our field of
endeavor.
ARTICLE V
In keeping with this dedication to
principle, the members of the Association
have further pledged to:
• Follow through and complete any
agreement made verbally or otherwise to
either another member of the Association
or to any client or prospective client.
• Deal fairly with the public and with
fellow professionals, giving due respect
to the rights and legitimate interests
of others.
• Respect the rights of the owners of
intellectual properties.
• Not knowingly disseminate false or
misleading information and shall act
promptly to correct
erroneous communications for which they
are responsible.
• Use proper diligence to ensure that all
materials on their networks are restricted
in accordance with applicable laws,
regulations and the tenets of reasonable
precaution.
• Not disparage other members by statement
or innuendo to clients or prospective clients.
• Respond to any complaint or violations
filed with the Association and participate
in all processes and procedures of the
Association with respect to that complaint.
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By Laws
http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Bylaws
By Laws Article 8
8.6. Termination of Membership. A
Member’s Membership will terminate upon
the occurrence of any of the following events:
8.6.1. The Member provides written
notice to the Board that the Member is
resigning from WISPA;
8.6.2. The Member dissolves or
ceases to transact the business that
qualified the Member for WISPA Membership;
8.6.3. The Member’s Membership
expires, unless the Membership is renewed
on terms fixed by the Board;
8.6.4. The Member fails to pay
dues, fees or assessments within ten (10)
days after they become due and payable
pursuant to the decision of the Board; or
8.6.5. The Board terminates the
Member’s Membership.
8.7. The Board may terminate the
Member’s Membership if the Board finds
that a Member has materially breached
these Amended Bylaws or any rule of
conduct applicable to WISPA Membership or
has otherwise engaged in conduct
materially prejudicial to the purposes and
interests of WISPA. The Board will abide
by the following procedures to terminate a
Member:
8.7.1. The Secretary will give the
Member a notice specifying the Board’s
intent to terminate the Member’s
Membership fifteen (15) days prior to the
proposed date of termination. The notice
will explain the reasons for the proposed
termination.
8.7.2. The Member may respond to
the notice within ten (10) days after the
notice is sent. The Member’s response will
be in writing or at a meeting of the
Board, as the Board may determine.
8.7.3. No less than fifteen (15)
days after the Secretary sends the notice,
the Board, or a committee of the Board,
will decide whether to terminate the
Member’s Membership.
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