I wouldn't think so, but I can't say that I've actually read it. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:59 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Would the EULA keep you from using their bootloader? > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:43 PM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium > > Once you've bought the hardware, you can put software on it, but the > question is can somebody else sell software that specifically requires you > to violate an EULA. Another interesting side note, is that Cambium doesn't > actually sell the firmware, that's free to download on their website for > anyone - what you have to buy is the license on the Cambium AP to let that > firmware connect to it. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:31 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ubiquiti contends that some of their software is still running after you >> install Elevate. They never refer to Elevate by name; throughout the >> document they call it "Hacked Firmware" capitalized like a proper noun. >> >> AirOS is OpenWRT (ie Linux). The hardware is a general purpose computer >> in a rainproof housing running a general purpose operating system with a >> pretty configuration web page. I would characterize ePMP the same way. >> I'm oversimplifying, but that's *basically* what these products are. >> >> I'm sure they will present their case a different way than I am, but if >> I've bought the hardware and now I own it, I am definitely allowed to put >> my own software on it, or even put someone else's software on it. I don't >> believe for a minute that I could be constrained by an EULA in this. I'm >> sure we'll find out who's right in court, but if Jay's argument is right, >> that would be like selling me a hammer and making me click an agreement >> that I can only hit your proprietary nails with it. Or selling me a car >> and telling me I can only put your brand of gasoline in it. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> On 8/10/2018 4:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> OK, but if you violate a software agreement, you should just simply stop >> using the code, right? >> Does Cambium root the radio or is there still UBNT code running? I have >> not followed this product at all. >> >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >> >> >> oh yes they are. the agreement itself tells the user what they can and >> can't do. the lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by >> changing the code, etc, and even using / reusing some of the same code. >> and replacing the copyright with cambium's copyright, lots of little things >> adding up. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *To:* AFMUG >> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:41 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >> >> Unless the radio is old enough that it came with firmware that didn't >> have that feature... >> >> But they're saying that Cambium is specifically instructing people to >> accept the agreement, and then violate the terms. They don't appear to be >> going after anyone so much for violating the agreement, but rather for >> telling other people to violate the agreement. >> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM CBB - Jay Fuller < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> they're saying you have to accept the license agreement to access a >>> radio to even change software. >>> they are right - - unless you use tftp recovery. you don't have to do >>> that on a dell computer. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:47 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>> >>> Dell isn't harmed when you install Linux on your computer. >>> Likewise I don't see how Ubiquiti is harmed when you install Elevate. >>> >>> Someone has to spell out the difference for me. >>> >>> >>> On 8/10/2018 2:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >>> >>> >>> so - assuming they are held liable and have to pay damages >>> >>> how much do ya'll estimate they've made from elevate? >>> >>> now, don't get me wrong, i have a soft spot for both companies. they've >>> both made me a lot of money. >>> >>> i hate to see them doing this - - but i fully see ubnt's point of view >>> too. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *To:* AFMUG >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>> >>> Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something has changed recently. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> wasn't aware cambium was publically traded? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>>> >>>> Or short Cambium.... you never know. >>>> >>>> >>>> MoviePass is selling at 5.1 cents per share right now. >>>> Or 20 milli cents in pre split dollars. Millipennys? Money is >>>> metric, right? >>>> >>>> In other words, I bought at 60 cents and it is now at 0.020 cents... >>>> >>>> *From:* Tyson Burris >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:19 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>>> >>>> >>>> Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT stock. I don’t see a >>>> lawsuit as a favorable to WISP opinions. Dragging WISPs and Vendors into >>>> it is very sticky. >>>> >>>> Could end up being negative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Tyson Burris, President* >>>> *Internet Communications Inc.* >>>> *739 Commerce Dr.* >>>> *Franklin, IN 46131* >>>> >>>> *Daytime #* *317-738-0320 * >>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * >>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: ICI] >>>> >>>> *What can ICI do for you?* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - >>>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* >>>> >>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* >>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is* >>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* >>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* >>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* >>>> *prohibited.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:34 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/11/12/clearing-air-wi-fi-software-updates >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM >>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium >>>> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd like to see more of the claims. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry Moiseev of Cambium. >>>> >>>> They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They've sued BLIP Networks, a WISP in southern Illinois. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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