25 an hour is low for tower work

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:13 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

> Let’s say I pay a guy that I have  sent to Comtrain $25/hour.
> I pay a few benefits, modest health insurance etc.
> To not lose money, I have to bill one of my other companies $39.50.
>
> I have a very comprehensive spreadsheet that calculates every jot and
> tittle for loaded rates.
> It even includes the expense of calculating the billing etc.
>
> If anyone wants a copy  send me an off list request.  I don’t think I can
> attach spreadsheets to the email.
>
> So, lets round up.  $40/hour is my out of pocket.
> Say I need two of these guys to hang the radios.  $80/hour.
>
> I know I can climb that tower, hang the radio, secure the CAT5 and be on
> the ground in 2 hours.
> Have done similar jobs many many times as a younger man.
>
> Then drive for a half hour (let’s round up to 1 hours) and then do the
> same at the other site.  5 hours total so far.
> Then say we have to go back to the first site and tweak the aiming.  6
> hours into the job.
>
> 6 x 80 is $480  My out of pocket payroll expense to hang a pair of $600
> radios.
> Perhaps there is some OSHA rule that requires 4 guys.  I don’t know about
> this rule.... but two people have mentioned it now.
> OK, my expense is not $1200.
>
> Let’s say I want send my guys to do this job for someone else and make a
> 50% margin, then I would be billing $2400.
> And pocketing half.
>
> Still far less than the quotes and estimates I have received.
> I realize everyone has to drive in from somewhere and they have to be paid
> while they drive.   But still...
> Where is that rule that you must have 4 guys on a tower crew?
> What is a fair margin when renting our your employees to others.
> What is the cost of sending someone to Comtrain these days?
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 3, 2018 11:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower climbing
>
> I figure less than 3 hours per tower, in reality it should be one hour per
> tower.  So 6 man hours.  Of course there would be transport time to and
> from.  But if my own employees were doing it I would have less than $240 in
> payroll expense.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower climbing
>
> Too busy to help you...but 4500.00 is more or less what son and I would
> charge...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 1:28 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *From:* Trey Scarborough
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 3, 2018 1:15 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower climbing
>>
>>
>> Check with LRC
>>
>> https://www.lrcwireless.com/
>>
>> On 7/2/2018 8:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Near Innis Louisiana.
>> (NW of Baton Rouge, SE or Alexandria).
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 02, 2018 7:27 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower climbing
>>
>> $5000 and they don't even need to mount big dishes or take out the rubber
>> tape? Incredible.... sounds like it's their "we don't want your business,
>> go away" pricing. Maybe post the area and see if any AFMUG members are
>> around?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Integrated radios/antenna.
>>>
>>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 02, 2018 7:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower climbing
>>>
>>> How big are the dishes?
>>>
>>> Those seem really high compared to around here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a pair of PTP550s to hang and wire.
>>>> Long away from my base of operations.  About 100’ up on both ends.
>>>>
>>>> Have received two quotes to hang and aim:
>>>> $5000
>>>>
>>>> $8000   ($14,000 if it goes to 2 days)
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why they think this needs 4 guys to do.
>>>> I am too old to do it myself, just don’t have the leg
>>>> strength/endurance to be safe.
>>>>
>>>> 10x the cost of the radios to hang and aim???
>>>>
>>>>
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