One thing everyone has missed here is that the DRM feature is a separately licensed product. Meaning there is no way you can be legal moving points to a product you have never licensed. You have to buy at least 1 copy of a product in the spirit of the Tivoli Contract. Also, this contract is designed to forbid moving the stuff around. What it is designed to do is allow you to buy a bunch of points and the ones that you have not deployed to a specific product to redeploy them to where you may need them. And, if you retire a server or usage of a copy of a product to redeploy those points. That is in the "spirit of the contract". Whether Tivoli would tag someone for moving the points around hourly or minute by minute, I do not know.
-----Original Message----- From: Zlatko Krastev/ACIT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) I do not think it's too complicated. It is just different than other companies do. But if we look at Oracle pricing for 8i it was somewhat similar - price for eight single processor servers was same as for 8-way same processor SMP system. The difference is that for Oracle after server consolidation you have to pay the price twice. For Tivoli you just change the distribution of points. And if you enjoy it you can do this 2 times a day :-) But this gives you an investment protection for SW licenses! On the other side my brain is so complicated that both doctors and scientist do not know what exactly is there. But I still use it and do not want to lose it ;-) Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 24.10.2001 02:56:35 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) Note that now, nodes that haven't been used for 30 days drop out of the licence count, so if you had a lot of old archives hanging around in previous versions, you may well have enough points to get DRM for free! Who thinks up th is stuff.. The technical side is hard enough without all these complications... Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Queensland Health, Brisbane Australia >>> Bill Mansfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24/10/2001 8:26:24 >>> Or you can call your friendly IBM business partner, who will happily assay your situation and give you a quote. TSM licensing is still changing, so ask lots of questions. William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc "Prather, Wanda" <Wanda.Prather@J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HUAPL.EDU> cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 10/23/2001 09:43 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" It was described in the IBM/Tivoli announcement letter for TSM V4. The announcement letter was #200-245, but it's not that helpful - doesn't contain actual point counts for anything but TSM servers and B/A clients. On the Tivoli support website, there is now a "point calculator", although it's not easy to find. Go here: http://www.tivoli.com/support/documents There is a link to "Tivoli Management Point Calculator", but you have to be registered with an ID and password for the site to get it. The point was (a pun! a pun!) to let you buy "points" instead of specific licenses for TSM (and other Tivoli) stuff. That way if you want to move your TSM server from one platform to another, you don't need a new server license as long as you have enough points to cover the resulting configuration. Or if you deside to stop using the DRM feature, you can use those "points" for more clients. Whatever. (And DRM points ARE the same as TSM points...) The plan is well-intentioned, but has caused MASSIVE confusion because it is not well documented. Using the point calculator customers can figure out how many points you need to put together a new TSM configuration, but now they can't figure costs for budget planning! (It was about 31$ per point for TSM 4.1, but I don't know what it is for TSM 4.2). You pretty much have to work through a Tivoli rep to get a quote (if you can find one who will return your phone call....). And I don't think everyone is necessarily working on the "point" system yet - depends on how you got your contract in the first place. People who were on the "old" system with V3 and a maintenance contract that entitled them to an automatic upgrade to V4 are in an even MORE confusing situation - you have to work with a Tivoli rep to decide how many "points" you are already entitled to based on your existing maintenance contract.... Don't know if that helps or not, but there you are! ************************************************************************ Wanda Prather The Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab 443-778-8769 wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Intelligence has much less practical application than you'd think" - Scott Adams/Dilbert ************************************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: Justin Derrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) Actually, one of my customers who uses Content Manager OnDemand in combination with TSM used their points to supposedly license DRM on their production system. Once I see paper proof of the license, I'll be sure to forward the info to the group. As much as I like the guys at Tivoli Tech Support, "The guy at tech support told me so. I think his name was Bob. Maybe Bill. Y'know, it could have been Biff." doesn't sound like a legally sound defense. =) Personally, I wasn't aware of the points system. If anyone could provide some docs or a link to a page explaining this frequent flyer program, I'd appreciate it. =) -JD. >And you cannot use TSM points as DRM points, don't you? > >Zlatko Krastev >IT Consultant > > > > > >"Prather, Wanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 22.10.2001 22:47:48 >Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >cc: > >Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) > >But it IS included on the 4.1 media. >You don't have to order any separate install media, you just have to pay >for >the license. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Seay, Paul [mailto:seay [EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:33 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) > > >DRM is a separately licensed product. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nazir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:09 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) > > >Hi, > >What do I need to work with DRM (Disaster Recovery Manager) ? >Is It including on TSM 4.1 for Win NT ? >And How Can I work with DRM and How does it work ? > >Thank you >Nazir ********************************************************************** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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