If you want to take it a little deeper, has anyone else noticed
that selective backups do not honor the exclude.dir statement?
Whether this is a feature or a bug I don't know.
James Thompson
>From: Serge Gaudet/EIG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>...that's right.... selective backups do process the include-exclude
>list... I neglected to mention making reference to a separate dsm.opt file
>when I perform selective backups.... (aliases do wonders in AIX, and when I
>call for a selective backup, the behind-the-scenes details are taken care
>of on my behalf. After a while, you forget those details). My apology.
>The last thing I wanted, was mislead somebody.
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>Regards,
>Serge Gaudet
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>You need to realize that the include/exclude list is used for SEL as well
>as
>INCR; if you must have varying kinds of overlapping/conflicting inclexcl
>lists, you must use different node names --- all backup data is subject to
>the inclexcl list. (I understand this is not the case with NetBackup, but
>that's another conversation; I'm told it allows the equivalent of
>different
>management classes for each backup version/copy of a file --- no implicit
>re-binding on subsequent backup sessions.)
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>A couple alternatives (a) archive (this was how we did things until v3.7
>came along), or (b) generate backup set which consolidates all the active
>(only) copies of backup files.
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>All the choices discussed have their various downsides, especially when
>considering Oracle archive logs that are "gone" (ie, marked inactive due to
>being deleted from the client file system), yet you want to be able to
>reach
>back, for point-in-time restore, beyond the most recent full backup to one
>from a week or three ago, replaying logs from the most recent month-end
>full
>backup.
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>ARCHIVE can quickly become the most practical; for databases, you can
>repeatedly add to an archive package (eg, 1st daily full, plus all
>subsequent archive logs, of a given month), changing the package
>description
>as part of each month-end archive process.
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>Regards,
>Don
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Serge Gaudet/EIG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:43 AM
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>I am of the opinion the "selective" makes sense to backup files that are in
>an area normally excluded by the incremental process (via your
>include-exclude definitions). Have you ever considered Collocation? At
>least for your most critical server? Just a suggestion. Furthermore, a
>server executed/generated archive or backupset would probably be better.
>(avoiding the bottleneck... the network - hence executable during the day
>as opposed to smack in the middle of the backup window). I would just
>perform incrementals otherwise.
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>What can I say: Everywhere I went, network was always the primary issue.
>I quickly learned the cost of using it, and learned to become effective
>considering the constraint.
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>Serge Gaudet
>Consultant, CMI
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> Tim Melly
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>We recently had a "minor" Data Center fire and I had to restore several
>Novell
>volumes. The Novell servers had been incrementally backed up for two years,
>the
>restoration times were horrendous (12 GB in 18 hours). The tapepool was 270
>DLT
>tapes and almost all of the tapes were mounted during the restore. We've
>since
>implemented every other weekend "selective/full" backups of our Novell
>servers.
>There are situations were "selective" backups make sense.
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>FYI *SMs, the Novell client does not always restore the file with the "long
>filename". We had a significant amount of files which we restored to the
>DOS
>file name not the "long filename". We had to manually move the files to the
>correct location when that location could be determined. Tivoli is looking
>into
>the issue.
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>Regards, Tim Melly
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>Why is this so strange? I need the data for many servers for a months
>worth
>of data. I have to be able to restore to any date they (user) says. We
>keep the tapes offsite and exercise our DR plan yearly. I will be
>restoring
>whole servers. Not a file here and there. I would think a full backup and
>a year of incrementals could get a little ugly.
>Matt
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>-----Original Message-----
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>It's gotta be a tape stress test in progress..... or a validation of the
>reclamation process....
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>I don't know anyone in their right mind who would want to do such a
>thing...
>...but then again, it could be just to satisfy a paranoid ex-arcserv like
>client user!
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>Serge Gaudet, CMI
>"Couldn't help the wise crack - Have a great day"
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>My question to you is why would you want to ?
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>Hello,
> I am trying to figure out how to set up a scheduled job that will
>do
>a Full backup every weekend of a client. I will be running daily
>incrementals and will have the POLICY set to keep 4 copies of the backup.
>I
>just don't see how to get the client to do a full backup after the intial
>has been done. What am I missing?
>Matt
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