04.08.2024 22:14:26 kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > Thank you, Clout Tolstoy, for your comment. The goal isn't to kill the thread > but to help others. It's easy to get sidetracked when attacked. I wanted to > highlight issues that, as a newcomer, are unpleasant but noticeable.
If newcomers want help, but don't want to listen, nobody can help them. That's just how it is. Also the other way around: if you say you want to help but everything you do is hindering people who are trying to help, you're just not helping. > Starting a Plan 9 newcomers' group seems like a good idea. Newcomers can get > helpful guidance and provide useful feedback. They can easily see what's > lacking in the Plan 9 wiki. Who can we engage to update the wiki and improve > the newcomer experience? The challenge is whether any experts will be willing > to join. Newcomers can already read helpful guidance by asking properly and studying everything that's out there. It seems like you never even read a paper, but expect that things "just work" some way or the other, and that "the community" should just help in a way that you expect. But that's not how it works. Sure, the documentation can be improved, and people are trying, but the community is small (I'd guess less than 50-70 active people - compare that to any linux user group!). If you start a new group, with that attitude of yours, I doubt that anyone would want to join. We have lots of experts here, but you refuse to listen to them. Some experts even stopped responding, I assume they're just tired and see that it isn't worth it. If you want, it's probably best that you read other threads (it's all available on topicbox) and lurk around to learn about how the community works and what people expect. Only by becoming part of the community, you can change and improve it! If you can't do that bit it's maybe best to leave. We mentioned a few other parts of the community, like discord, you could try your luck there. The discord branch is friendlier and more welcoming, but most expectations are just the same (but there's also lots of offtopic there, which can help a lot). Other than that, I can only see that we all (with only a few exceptions) tried our best to help you join the community. If you don't want to learn, then don't learn and go back to linux, windows, or even better, mac. Furthermore, gardening is also a nice hobby. sirjofri P.S.: Just in case, I don't really see distinct Plan 9 "communities", only one. There are different "branches" that I would separate, but you'll always find a few of the same people everywhere. Roughly mentioning, there's this 9fans mailing list, the 9front mailing list, the 9fans discord (which has a totally different purpose and feel than the mailing list), then there's gridchat. I know people that are present in all of the mentioned "branches", to varying degrees, and each branch has its own "channels" for communication. This however is just my perspective and other people will probably see it differently. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9804faa2e50a80d8-M105e322048aaf57aba87fe7a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
