On Wed, May 15, 2024, at 17:38, sirjofri wrote: > Hey vic, ... > Write your mails. Write them, don't send them. Read them again > carefully and think about the people reading it. They most likely > understand as much as you, and they have all the track record of > earlier discussions, so they very likely understand more than you. > Things are as they are for a reason. Not always for a good reason, but > for a reason. After thinking about your mail and the recipient, you may > revise/rewrite your mail or just throw it away. > > Last, we're not a company. People who do the work are the ones > organizing. Those people don't like to see strangers organizing their > stuff without any contribution. If you can write software, try to > organize yourself and give something back to the community. Hunt for > bugs and fix them, or write tools that helps people, or improve the > documentation. This should help the community much more than top-level > organization when there is no top-level.
Thanks, Sirjofri, I really appreciate your message. I'll keep things more casual in this message. I didn't use Strunk & White, which would have really annoyed people, but I agree that my posts have been rushed and barely revised. I wanted to classify the topics to see if anyone was already working on them as it wasn't apparent. Some developers can be very territorial, and I didn't want to step into a mess. My plan was to ask around next. I see that the current team is very happy with the status quo. If the hacker culture rules are necessary, I'm definitely not a good fit. I should step aside to avoid being disruptive. I've been programming for a long time, and I work in a very different manner. I'd rather avoid the drama I've experienced the past few days. I can only imagine the hell it must be to contribute. I don't mean that in an offensive way, but I'm just looking back on the hazing that has been happening. **heavy sigh** I was told this is a flat model, yet I see there is a meritocracy and outdated rules as well as too much hazing occurring. Hazing alone is enough to off put someone. I surmise there is too much entitlement occurring which results in both hazing and a cancel culture. I am not trying to persuade you or anyone on 9fans, but rather I just want to show you what I see. I've worked on 160 million USD projects and have needed to fix personnel issues. I know this is not a company, but anyone that cannot see there are issues here has their head in the sand. I hope you take my comments as constructive. The intention of my comments to make things better. You've helped me see that I'm not a good cultural fit, which is good to know early. Again, thank you very much for your advice. Let me share a letter with you that I wrote to Bakul and then I'll leave 9fans. Thank you and goodbye. Hi Bakul, Thanks for reaching out. I trust you are well. I have my own personal Plan 9 distribution that I have been using for years, circa 2006. 9legacy and 9front are great, but I find it challenging to contribute. However, the 9legacy community has been much more friendly and helpful as you can imagine. I am grateful for past help. Whenever I witness the challenges faced between 9legacy and 9front communities, I can't help but feel responsible. Looking back, I see that my youthful inexperience played a role in deepening the rift between Plan 9 and what would become 9front. At the time, I failed to bridge the gap between influential opposition members, such as Uriel and 20h, and the foundational members of the community, like Russ Cox and others. Now, as I contemplate my legacy, my goal was to somehow mend the division and foster unity among the communities before my time ends. I think I could have prevented the need for 9front years ago and the community would had been in a better state today. That is my biggest regret that I have. That is one reason why I isolate myself. I am just not a good mediator nor communicator. Sadly, I don't have what it takes to bridge the gap. I think that my idea of mending the communities is too grand. Also, I'm saddened to see the more I try to help the worse the situation becomes. Kind regards, Vic ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9bf40e9448c878ab-Mcc7849731d5a3a69a3c464c6 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
