Re: your comment about trackpad / vertical mouse. I had a similar RSI problem a couple of years ago. I solved it by using a Logitech trackball with my right hand - but only to move the cursor and I used a MS optical mouse with the tracking window taped over so that I would only use it to click or scroll with the left hand. I had to tape over the window so that moving the mouse wouldn't actually move the pointer which I had carefully positioned with the trackball. Cured the RSI and now able to even use a normal trackpad on a notebook for short periods of time. But I do prefer to use my desktop for serious amounts of work.
On 26 June 2018 at 13:24, 刘宇宝 <liuyu...@yingmi.cn> wrote: > // seems this email was lost according to http://marc.info/?l=9fans, send > again, sorry if duplicated. > > On Jun 24, 2018, at 5:12 PM, 刘宇宝 <liuyu...@yingmi.cn> wrote: > > Very like your comment, thanks! On macOS I mainly use iTerm2 + VIM + SSH + > Firefox, if Plan 9 had a decent native web browser I may use 9front for > serious daily work. I don't care much native app stack because I mainly do > Python/Java/Node on remote Linux server. > > I hate trackpad, it hurts my wrists, I just got a cheap vertical mouse, > may buy Evoluent mouse later. Meanwhile, I was wondering whether trackball > will heal my wrists more. > > Recently I read Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant", I > felt pity, and I was wondering what the operating system would look like in > the future, here is my stupid optimistic predication: > > • Server hardware will become extreme powerful, TB DRAM, > non-volatile memory, NVMe disk, 100Gb ethernet, the paradigm of separate > cpu server, file server, (a little fat) terminals will come back to be > mainstream, network of piles of cheap PCs will go away. > • Linux，even BSD，became the underlying device driver and "BIOS", > this is almost the current situation, Linux KVM, Xen + Linux dom0 hide > details of hardware. This layer takes care maximum hardware support and raw > performance. > • *Distributed* operating systems above KVM/Xen will step into a > period of great development, hardware support and maximum raw performance > are not top priorities, *OS native* fault tolerance, simple and clear > distributed process scheduling, easy and consistent IPC/RPC API will win, > Google Kubernetes will die. Many ideas of Plan 9 will revive, just like > memory garbage collecting revived after about 30 years. > > Regards, > Yubao Liu > > > > > From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net <9fans-boun...@9fans.net> on behalf of > Rui Carmo <rui.ca...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 5:06 PM > > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > > Subject: Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for? > > > > I’m late to the thread, but this seems like a good point to step in. > > > > I’m using plan9 on a quad-core Raspberry Pi as a sort of universal > terminal to manage some of my home machines, and recently deleted the > 9front VM I had on my home KVM server because even though the programming > model and Go support were nice, most of my day-to-day work is on cloud > solutions and there was no easy way to make those co-exist with Plan9 usage. > > > > There were a few discussions in this thread around dev stacks, browsers, > etc., and my $0.02 on that is that I could probably work in Plan9 on a > daily basis _if_ it had a usable (i.e., all the warts including JavaScript > and fonts) web browser, but that the lack of alignment (intended or > otherwise) with Linux tools and app stacks (SSH, Node, Python, Java) would > make it very painful. > > > > Running a remote browser (which is what I do often in that Pi) sort of > works, but you never get the full benefits you’d get with a native process. > And lack of access to modern app stacks renders the platform unattractive > for mainstream development work. > > > > But what killed it for me was the need for chording (mouse or keys). > Using a modern trackpad on a MacBook or Surface device is a quantum leap > beyond using a mouse for general use, and the lack of a modernised Rio with > enough thoughtful design to overcome the differences in philosophy is the > first barrier to continued usage. > > > > Acme is something I miss on occasion, but modern GUI editors compensate > in other ways (at the expense of resource usage, etc., but with a massive > boost in productivity for me). Also, I’m typing this on an iMac 5K with > nearly unmatched font rendering and legibility (the only thing that comes > close is the Surface Pro alongside it). Visuals matter a great deal. > > > > There is an unmatchable degree of purity in Plan9, but (even though the > diehards will stick their ground and claim it’s perfect to the exclusion of > other modern comforts) to coexist successfully it has to provide more > affordances. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > R. > > > > > On 14 Jun 2018, at 04:53, 刘宇宝 <liuyu...@yingmi.cn> wrote: > > > > > > Compared to "not for you", "don't care", "intend to not be > successful", I like more the topic of cat-v irc channel on freenode set by > aiju: "fun fact: you can use multiple operating systems at the same time". > > > > > > Certainly Plan 9 can't replace Linux/macOS/BSD/Windows, I'm still > curious its upper bound for a sensible daily usage, and the best practice > from you happy experienced Plan 9 users. > > > > > > I checked mail headers in this mailing list, seems all use Apple Mail, > iPhone Mail, WebMail with AJAX, Gmail(a lot), ProtonMail, these emails > went through Postfix and Exim servers, probably on Linux. > > > > > > In great harmony, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of > software on them. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Yubao Liu > > > > > >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro <n...@airmail.cc> wrote: > > >> > > >> I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something > it isn’t, rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the FQA says, > “Plan 9 is not for you." > > > > >
