On 28 Nov 2009, at 2:28 pm, hiro wrote:

It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. Does this say anything
about it's elegance or simplicity? I don't remember what my toaster
has to do with 9p, but nevermind.

And somebody always mentions toasters! Or coffee machines... :D

Actually, yes it does say a lot about a toaster's elegant simplicity: a toaster only has parts to do the job intended. At a minimum a switched heater, a sprung sliding bread carrier which also switches the heater, and a thermally-releasing latch for the slider. I have seen a toaster without even that much complexity; it had glass sides so you could see when your toast was done how you like it.

Actually there is a link here. Things to share are increasingly bloated, and applications strangely seem to need access to every feature of the shared entity. 9p could perhaps help by presenting a device model with files for different capabilities, or something like that, but it is only half a solution. OTOH perhaps the need to access device features is not really strange. Requiring a whole postscript interpreter on your printer could be seen as just as strange, it was certainly very expensive to do a few years ago.


On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
<eeke...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

On 26 Nov 2009, at 8:53 pm, ron minnich wrote:

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, erik quanstrom <quans...@quanstro.net>
wrote:

it is pretty hard to run windows, osx or linux without
a hard drive.

linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more
... not sure of the others.

It's certainly possible to run OS X diskless, and knowing Apple it'll take
less setting up than Linux. ;)






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