Which I think reinforces my point. It's not clear to me why it needs to take lots of time and effort just to suppress a UI, or make minor changes to an existing UI.
-----Original Message----- From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:58 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? It's not trivial to create a custom BA. It takes time and effort. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > I don't mean compile and setup time. I mean time and effort for someone > completely unfamiliar with the WiX source and whatever may be involved in > rolling a custom bootstrapper (like myself and most other people on here > who ask how to do what doesn't seem like a complex request). > > Sure, for you and other WiX pros working on it for years, building the > code and rolling your own custom BA is trivial. But for the rest of us > non-WiX devs, especially those of us relatively new to it, it's far from > trivial, and it seems like a lot (read: too much) to learn and figure out > just a little UI change, like removing the UI, or adding a field, checkbox, > label, or window/wizard step. > > My point is that you might want to consider making WiX-built installers' > UIs easier for developers to customise without having to crack open and > customise the source code (which I can only imagine can create problems > when trying to keep up with updates to the main code). > > Alain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:42 > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? > > On my 5 year old machine it takes 5 minutes to build all of the WiX > toolset source. That isn't *that* long is it? Seems like a reasonable > amount of time to build a project of our size. There is documentation in > the WiX.chm with instructions how to build. > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > > > Is there a tutorial somewhere on where to get the stock BA's > source, and how to make various changes to it? The only tutorial I found > involved cracking open Visual Studio, and seemed to involve recompiling the > whole source and...yeah, a big hurdle to jump. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicolás Alvarez [mailto:nicolas.alva...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:25 > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer XML > toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > The stock BA is open source. You don't need to start from scratch, > just modify the stock one. > > -- > Nicolás > > 2013/9/18 Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu>: > > It just seems like going from the stock BA to rolling your own > custom BA just to either get rid of the UI or add a single text box, radio > button, or window/step seems extremely costly in time and effort for what > seems like a minor modification. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hoover, Jacob [mailto:jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:40 > > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer > XML toolset. > > Subject: RE: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > > > I believe the mantra is don't use installer UI's, use a BA UI. > As such, if you need a custom UI then generate a BA to give the look and > feel that you want. The reasoning behind having a BA UI is so you can have > a single unified installation experience. Having a chain of 5 MSI's all > exposing their own UI's would result in a choppy and subpar user experience. > > > > That being said, WiX is open source, so anyone is free to > contribute enhancements. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > > > There seems to be a lot of demand for more control over > installer and bootstrapper UIs. Just out of curiosity, is this being worked > on for future WiX releases? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:27 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > > > Yes. You'd need to create a custom BA. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM, nkshirsagar < > nkshirsa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Rob and others on the mailing list! > >> > >> I'm wondering the same thing. I have a minimal UI msi that I've > >> customised slightly with logos and banners. I want this UI to > run > >> immediately instead of the first screen that the botstrapper UI > shows. > >> (licence agreement, etc). > >> The licence agreement gets shown twice as that screen is > already in my > >> MSI UI. All I need the bootstrapper for, is to install .net 4.5 > if its > >> not already present and then kick off my msi. > >> > >> Is there any way to achieve this ? > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just > $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. 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