On Windows 7+ yes. No way to disable inside MSI pre-Win7.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > This makes a lot of sense, frankly. I'm leaning towards opting out of the > system restore altogether. I take it adding this will be > sufficient to do so? > > <Property Id="MSIFASTINSTALL" Value="1" /> > > Source: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd408005%28v=vs.85%29.aspx > > Alain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] > Sent: March 28, 2013 18:02 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.; afor...@cmu.edu > Subject: RE: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore point > > >> Rob's personal preference matches mine which is system restore is more > of a pain and disk hog than it's worth so we disable it on > our machines. > > +1 for that, I disable it in my burn releases as I find my users don't > understand it, rarely use it and by the time it would be > useful have installed other things that they don't want to rollback. I > tend to concentrate on making the install reliably > uninstalable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hoover, Jacob [mailto:jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com] > Sent: 28 March 2013 19:45 > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore point > > If I had to guess, Rob's personal preference matches mine which is system > restore is more of a pain and disk hog than it's worth so > we disable it on our machines. > > 1) You don't need to integrate the controls, those are the ones that exist > within the UI set you are using. > 2) That will only set the initial text of the progress dialog when the > ExecuteAction action is invoked from the UI sequence. That > is the timing point where the MSI elevates and then creates the system > restore point. Once the system restore is done it begins > executing the InstallExecute sequence, which should again update the > ActionText based on the Action that is in the sequence. > > Note, this isn't creating a new dialog, just updating the "blank label" on > the progress dialog to have a value until it hits the > first action in the InstallExecute sequence with ActionText associated > with it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 2:23 PM > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore point > > Alright, good to know that if at some point we start using burn, we may > need to change tactics. Interesting that Rob always turns of > system restore...do you mean on your own machines, or in the installers > you make? > > As far as Jacob's advice, it seems currently beyond my understanding of > WiX/MSIs. Most of the stuff you've mentioned is the first > time I've heard of it. Specifically: > 1) I'm not sure how to integrate the three Controls you suggested into the > WiXUI_Minimal sequence (assuming that's even what you > were suggesting, which I may have misunderstood). > 2) I'm not sure how the <UI><ProgressText> etc. stuff is supposed to work > (i.e. it looks like it will always post the innertext > whenever ExecuteAction occurs, which I don't think is right, because there > may be non-restore point actions that execute, for which > I don't want a "Now creating a system restore point..." message to pop > up). Does the "ExecuteAction" action somehow directly link to > the system restore occurring? Or, as I suspect, is there more WiX glue I > need to make it work (I'm presuming this is the > CustomAction you were referring to?)? > > I've tried looked up some of said terms/tags/concepts, but I haven't seen > examples that seem similar/relevant to what you're > describing, so some clarification or links to relevant resources would be > very helpful. > > Thanks! > Alain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: March 28, 2013 14:50 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore point > > *and* Burn will take one system restore up front before installing all the > MSIs with system restore point creation disabled. Don't > want people thinking system restore is completely ignored (although I > always turn it off since I don't trust it to be able to > actually succeed <smile/>). > > PS: Set your initial text when using the wixstdba on the Progress page and > you'll be able to get essentially what Jacob proposes in > in MSI solution. > wixstdba will show the default message until UAC and system restore are > all complete... then packages start. > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Hoover, Jacob > <jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com>wrote: > > > Oh snap, all my responses were under the impression that he was using > > Burn. I now re-read it and realized this was WixUI_Minimal... > > Different problem domain, different solutions. > > > > The controls in question are one of these > > > > <Control Id="ActionText" Type="Text" X="70" Y="100" > > Width="285" Height="10"> > > <Subscribe Event="ActionText" Attribute="Text" /> > > </Control> > > <Control Id="ProgressBar" Type="ProgressBar" X="20" > > Y="115" Width="330" Height="10" ProgressBlocks="yes" > > Text="!(loc.ProgressDlgProgressBar)"> > > <Subscribe Event="SetProgress" Attribute="Progress" > /> > > </Control> > > <Control Id="StatusLabel" Type="Text" X="20" Y="100" > > Width="50" Height="10" Text="!(loc.ProgressDlgStatusLabel)" /> > > > > There has to be a few ways of doing this. > > > > First try: > > <UI> > > <ProgressText Action="ExecuteAction">Creating system restore > > point, you have time to go get a cup of coffee now...</ProgressText> > > </UI> > > > > The big stick approach would be to write a CustomAction which simply > > posts an ActionData message and schedule this before ExecuteAction in > > the InstallUISequence. > > > > Note, burn turns off system restore for all the child MSI's as it's > > creating a single restore point for the bundle, which if you are > > installing multiple MSI's can be a huge time saver. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:54 PM > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore > > point > > > > Interesting; it seems your experience differs from ours. > > > > For us, this is happening on up-to-date Windows 7 Enterprise machines. > > We currently don't use burn; just candle and light. Finally, I think > > our MSI needs the minimal interface just so the user knows the > > installation is working and is successful. > > > > It's interesting the problem happens under different circumstances, > > which may suggest it's not just something with our installer > (thankfully). > > > > Alain > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wesley Manning [mailto:wmann...@dynagen.ca] > > Sent: March 28, 2013 12:05 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore > > point > > > > I've only seen this on Windows XP where the computer wasn't up-to-date > > with Windows updates and in that case it took so long because the > > restore point failed. > > > > I use burn and have no GUI in my MSIs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: March-28-13 12:57 PM > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] No user feedback during 3+ minute restore > > point > > > > I can't be the only one with this or a similar problem of the > > installer hanging for a long period of time without any useful > > information for the user. > > > > Surely someone has some idea for solving this? Or should this be filed > > as some kind of WiX bug report? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: March 25, 2013 17:11 > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: No user feedback during 3+ minute restore point > > > > Our installer's logs show that it takes 3 minutes to create a restore > > point before our software is installed, between the user accepting the > > EULA and the UAC prompting the user for admin rights. The computers > > we've tested aren't very old or underpowered either. > > > > The problem is that, for those 3 minutes, the WixUI_Minimal interface > > we're using only shows the user an uninformative "please wait while > > the software is installed..." message with a progress bar that doesn't > > move during the restore point creation. We're particularly concerned > > that users might think the installer crashed and cancel the > > installation (and of course contact us thinking there's a problem). > > > > Since restore points are useful/important, trying to skip it wouldn't > > be great for users who have it enabled. Would there be some way to let > > the user know that a restore point is being created, and it could take > > several minutes, so they should be patient? > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had little luck inserting custom UIs panels in the WiXUI > > extension, so I'm hoping there's something easy/simple we can do, > > without having to roll our own UI altogether. > > > > Alain > > > > *************************************** > > Alain Forget, Ph.D. > > Postdoctoral Researcher > > CyLab, Carnegie Mellon University > > afor...@cmu.edu > > http://cups.cs.cmu.edu/~aforget/ > > *************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 > > Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. > > $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 > > Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. > > $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 > > Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. > > $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 > > Rise to greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on > > Steam. $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to > greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. > $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Own the Future-Intel® Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to > greatness in Intel's independent game demo contest. > Compete for recognition, cash, and the chance to get your game on Steam. > $5K grand prize plus 10 genre and skill prizes. > Submit your demo by 6/6/13. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel_levelupd2d > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Own the Future-Intel(R) Level Up Game Demo Contest 2013 Rise to greatness > in Intel's independent game demo contest. 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