It's hard to articulate in a short email. Basically what I'm trying to say is when you have thousands of files that get organized into hundreds of assets and used to compose dozens of products that you have to be very methodical in the way that you factor your dependency relationships. Automatic scanning just doesn't scale to this level. It might work well enough for a small shop shipping one off stand alone installers but even that's questionable. I've seen some of the choices that VDPROJ and InstallShield make regarding dependency scanning and it's not pretty. RE: see some of my blog posts talking about IS packaging .NET framework assemblies that are in the GAC as part of the NETFX runtime and doing COM Extract with bad filtering that whacks up your TCPIP stack when you do an uninstall. To me, a properly behaving deterministic installer starts with statically authoring/coding your source, checking it into source control and running a build. I don't expect the "magic" to happen during the build without any effort from me. But that's just me and my 16 years of experience writing installers talking... :-)
--- Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves attention? E-Mail Me --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Helge Kruse <helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> wrote: From: Helge Kruse <helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Detection of run-time DLLs To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 1:44 PM So you would say, it's impossible with the Windows Installer XML tool set? Or is it possible but insane? Am 16.05.2011 20:14, schrieb Christopher Painter: > I maintain installers that rival Visual Studio in terms of size and > complexity. Factoring dependency relationships is critical and cannot be > automated. I've streamlined the process to the point that it's insanely > fast and easy to follow the established patterns but it still takes a human > to apply domain and engineering knowledge to make the right call. > > --- > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves > attention? E-Mail Me > > --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Helge Kruse<helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > From: Helge Kruse<helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Detection of run-time DLLs > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:47 AM > > > > Am 16.05.2011 17:53, schrieb Christopher Painter: >> To be honest, that's not a "feature" of InstallShield that I like or use. >> Magically "Easy" buttons are a great concept but I don't like switching off >> my brain. >> > > Yea, maybe. But it's not necessary to switch off any brain, when such a > dependency is detected. I think the HEAT tool would be a good candidate, > since it generates a .wxs file that should be edited manually. > > The great benefit of such feature is that you don't create a MSI file > that installs a product on your development PC but does not run on a > system where this run-times are not installed. > > Helge > >> >> --- >> Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog >> Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves >> attention? E-Mail Me >> >> --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Helge Kruse<helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> wrote: >> >> >> From: Helge Kruse<helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net> >> Subject: [WiX-users] Detection of run-time DLLs >> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:24 AM >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I know from InstallShield (IS) that it is capable to detect all the >> dependencies of a binary to run-time DLLs. >> >> When VS2005 C++ DLL uses the msvcrt IS adds the corresponding MSM to the >> project. How can do similar with WiX 3.5? It would includ this tasks: >> >> - detect automagically which run-time DLLs are necessary >> - add these run-times conviniently >> - keep track of updates to these run-times as it happens when VS2005SP1 or >> the lastest April update of VS2005 changes the versions, that are used in >> VS2005 when linking a DLL? >> >> The last point means, I want only to recompile the installer with WiX to get >> the current dependencies included. >> >> I tried to evaluate the HEAT options but did not found any appropriate. >> >> Regards, >> Helge >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability > What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. > Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools > to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability > What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. > Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools > to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. 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