As a long-time temporary setup guy I do help 'my' developers by loading exes and dlls in VS2008 and opening their manifests. I check module dependencies and tell devs if something is wrong. For example, normally (unless mandated by a binary third-party component) we don't want both 8 and 9 versions of CRT or MFC, but prefer to use just version 9. After that it is up to them to know how to compile correctly.
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@deploymentengineering.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:16 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Cc: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help I hadn't seen your post and didn't know about sxstrace. I've googled it and it looks like sxstrace isn't available on XP/2003 which just happens to be the platforms we are deploying on. Awesome! I'm starting to think my "setup guy" answer should be "We deploy the latest 2005 and 2008 C++ redists using Microsoft installers. It's up to you to compile your DLL's correctly to find them." Anyone disagree with that philosophy? ----- Original Message ---- From: "kelly.le...@milliman.com" <kelly.le...@milliman.com> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 10:18:13 PM Subject: Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help I'll repeat it again, in case it got missed earlier. I'd recommend looking at the output of sxstrace to see why it's not locating the assemblies you expect. That should be enlightening. I'd expect it to tell you exactly where it looked and why it didn't find what it was looking for (including what exact versions and such it was searching for). Kelly "Wilson, Phil" <phil.wil...@invensys.com> 06/08/2010 05:08 PM Please respond to "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset." <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> To General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> cc Subject Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help It's really a bit worse than that! What's in the manifest in the program is useful, but if there's a policy manifest in WinSxS that redirects it, beware of that. I believe that the VC Redists will install policy manifests that redirect callers up to the latest. If you install using merge modules you may or may not have included the policy merge modules. For example on my Server 2003 system I have this for the VC80 runtime in a policy file: <assemblyIdentity type="win32" name="Microsoft.VC80.CRT" processorArchitecture="x86" publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b"/> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="8.0.41204.256-8.0.50608.0" newVersion="8.0.50727.4053"/> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="8.0.50727.42-8.0.50727.4053" newVersion="8.0.50727.4053"/> Phil Wilson -----Original Message----- From: gree...@cox.net [mailto:gree...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:57 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Cc: Wilson, Phil Subject: Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help I would only add dependencies in the manifest for immediate dependencies only . Don't add dependencies for B to A. For the mixed mode C++ dlls, they'l depend on their .NET assemblies they consume along with the version of the C/C++ runtime that their flavor of Visual Studio depends on. For mixed mode .NET C++, there is always a manifest dependency to the C++ runtime DLL's, there is no static linking to the C++ runtime. Also, it is a Win SxS dependencies. Check the manifest (RT_MANIFEST) resource using the Visual C++ resource editor. Make sure that the C++ runtime you install matches that of the manifest in the .NET DLL (A or B). This is not the .NET manifest, it is a resource inside the DLL. The Win SxS assemblies are native assemblies. I have been burned by this before. You might want to review the MSDN docs on the Win SxS cache. They have been around since Windows XP. They will help out a lot. By looking at the RT_MANIFEST resource embedded in the C++ DLLS, you will find out EXACTLY which Win SxS dlls are being referenced. You may need to add stuff to the manifest for the C++ DLLs for C++ specific stuff. Regards, Aris ---- "Wilson wrote: > If you have a recent version from http://www.dependencywalker.com (at least version 2.2, I think) it handles SxS. > > > Phil Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@deploymentengineering.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:17 AM > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help > > Hmmm, I've not experienced depends / sxs issues in the past so I love to fill in the knowledge gap possibly exposed by that question. And no, all my CA's are written in C# using DTF. > > I'm told the application is broken. I did create a manifest for A.DLL telling it had dependencies of the versions that B.dll had it helped depends to resolve them. I haven't tried doing this in the actual application though. I've also noticed that if I just deploy the unresolved DLL's privately they end up being found. This of course introduces other concerns such as not being able to service those dll's through microsoft hotfixes. Perhaps this is acceptable though? > > My bigger concern though is how normal is it to go from a managed assembly to a mixed mode assembly to a native assembly where A and B are built and running against different versions of the C++ runtime. I'm ignorant in this area ( my only C was ANSI C on Solaris 10+ years ago ) so I don't know if this is normal or red flag stuff. > > I'm thinking about posting this on stack overflow but I was hoping to get an answer from someone versed in both C++ and deployment considerations. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: dB. <dbl...@dblock.org> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 8:39:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help > > Isn't depends simply busted for WinSxS? > > I assume the application doesn't run? Just in case, if those A.DLL and B.DLL are custom actions this won't work - you have to install the CRTs outside of the MSI (something about loading per-process). > > dB. @ dblock.org > Moscow|Geneva|Seattle|New York > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@deploymentengineering.com] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:01 PM > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [WiX-users] C++ Dependency Help > > I have a C++ dependency issue that I'm trying to figure out. > > A.DLL depends on: ( compiled by us using VS2008 ) > MSCOREE.dll > KERNEL32.dll > MSVCM90.DLL 9.0.21022.8 > MSVCR90.dll 9.0.21022.8 > MSVCP90.dll 9.0.21022.8 > B.DLL > > B.DLL depends on: ( compiled by third party using VS2005 ) > WS2_32.dll > KERNEL32.dll > MSVCR80.dll 8.0.50727.4053 > MSVCP80.dll 8.0.50727.4053 > > In my installer I'm currently using the microsoft merge modules to deploy the c/c++ 8/9 dll's to winsxs. Here's where it get's interesting: If I open B.DLL in depends it resolves all DLL's. If I open A.DLL in depends it resolves A's dependencies but for B it says that it can't find the MSVCR80 or MSVCP80. If I copy these two DLL's into the application directory it finds them ( even if it's the wrong version ). > > I have a hunch what's going on here but I'd really hope that someone who really understands it could lead me to enlightenment and best practices for this type of problem. > > Thanks, > Chris > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves attention? E-Mail Me > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate > GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the > lucky parental unit. 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