On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:36:03 +0100 Mike Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, that would be an improvement but people tend to just guess > at what they need to type for programs like yum/apt. It's one of the > problems they have. Does "yum install epiphany" install a web browser or a > card game? You don't know unless you check beforehand (or try it).
That probably is true for a lot of users... > I think a meta package called "wine" that installed everything would be > much better because that would do what end users would intuitively expect. > And Wine isn't really a suite. It's a large, monolithic program. If it was > a suite we'd realease separate tarballs upstream. I would like that a lot better but then you have the problem that people who have wine installed now (and don't want the rest) will get everything on the next upgrade... I will think about it and discuss it with some other Fedora Extras people and see what their opinion is... > I know, and apologise for my harsh tone earlier. I think it's great you > are here on wine-devel and working through the problems with us. No problem... as long as we work for the same goals I don't mind it to much ;) > Hopefully you also understand the source of our frustration - I have > wasted *many* hours debugging problems that turned out to be caused by bad > packaging. This problem occurs all the time and when we eventually get one > problem fixed, some other distro somewhere else gets it wrong again and we > are back to square one. It feels like we never move forward on this issue. I understand that and I hope that with some changes here and there we can (at least for the fedora stuff) minimize these problems. That is one part why I value input from upstream that much... > Also I'm afraid the answer of "report bugs to bugzilla.redhat.com" > is not OK because it is not under our control. I'd say the vast > majority of end users don't use distributor bug systems and never have, > not even for Debian which has always had this policy. They post to > wine-users, or IRC, or our bugzilla, or random web forums. And then we get > to pick up the pieces. Yes, and I hope in the future when they do report stuff it really is something with wine and not with the packages behind it. - Andreas -- Andreas Bierfert | http://awbsworld.de | GPG: C58CF1CB [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://lowlatency.de | signed/encrypted phone: +49 2402 102373 | cell: +49 173 5803043 | mail preferred
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