Thanks for the clarification of how redirects work, and what we should keep in mind when trying to count pageviews. Do you know if there's a way to find the date(s) when a page is redirected using the API? We know we can get the 'old' page ids of redirected pages using the API, but we're not sure if using the creation date of these page ids would be accurate. Also, what's the difference between redirects and page moves if there is one?
We may stick to including redirects without trying to avoid overcounting as this appears to be a more complicated issue that we thought. We are working to collect pageviews within a specific time frame, so relative dates isn't quite what we're looking for. Thanks again! Jackie, James, Junyi, Kirby On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:52 AM MusikAnimal <[email protected]> wrote: > > We attempted to use the wmflabs.org tool, but it only shows data from a > certain date > > I'm assuming you want relative dates, not exact dates? You can do this by > using the range=latest-N URL parameter (where N is the number of days). See > <https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/url_structure/> and < > https://tools.wmflabs.org/redirectviews/url_structure/> for Redirect > Views. This mirrors the pvipdays parameter of the action API. > > I'm sorry there is no backend for these tools, so if you need automation > you'll have to scrape it or re-implement it's logic yourself. > > > In the end, we are trying to get an accurate count of view for a certain > page no matter the source. > > Keep in mind that redirects can change, and historically may have not been > the "same" page. For instance, if I create the article Foo, and someone > else creates Bar, and some months later Foo is redirected to Bar. To > accurately get the views of just Bar, you'll need to somehow exclude the > time when Foo was a different article. Page moves can also cause unexpected > results (Foo is moved to Baz, Bar is moved to Foo, etc.). Finally, page IDs > can change too, say if I delete Foo, then move Bar to Foo. There isn't a > foolproof solution, it seems, but simply including redirects is usually > enough to give you what you want. > > ~ MA > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM James Gardner via Wikitech-l < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for all the help and advice with this issue, especially with the >> wmflabs tool with the redirect view tool. We'll try using that tool to >> download the pageview data we need and manually filter by dates to map >> redirects to the page. We'll also look into the REST API that Wiki has to >> see if it can help us as well. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Jackie, James, Junyi, Kirby >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58 PM Gergo Tisza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:17 PM James Gardner via Wikitech-l < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> We attempted to use the wmflabs.org tool, but it only shows data from >> a >> >> certain date. (Example link: >> >> >> >> >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-07-01&end=2020-01-25&pages=2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests|China >> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-07-01&end=2020-01-25&pages=2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests%7CChina> >> >> < >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-07-01&end=2020-01-25&pages=2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests%7CChina >> > >> >> < >> >> >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-07-01&end=2020-01-25&pages=2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests%7CChina >> >> > >> >> ) >> >> >> > >> > There's a redirectview tool (see the "redirects" links at the bottom of >> > the page you linked) but it can't be filtered by date so it probably >> can't >> > help you. >> > >> > >> >> Then we attempted to use the redirects of a page and using the old page >> >> ids >> >> to grab the pageview data, but there was no data returned. When we >> >> attempted to grab data for a page that we knew would have a long past, >> but >> >> the parameter of "pvipcontinue" did not appear ( >> >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=query%2Bpageviews >> >> ). >> >> (Example: >> >> >> >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&prop=pageviews&titles=MediaWiki&pvipmetric=pageviews&pvipdays=60&pvipcontinue= >> >> ) >> >> >> > >> > That API displays a limited set of metrics and is focused on caching and >> > being backend-agnostic. There is no way to get old data, pvicontinue is >> for >> > fetching data about more pages. If you need something more specific, you >> > should use the Analytics Query Service (which the other APIs rely on) >> > directly: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/AQS/Pageviews >> > >> > I think you'll have to piece the data together using the MediaWiki >> > redirects API and AQS. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
