Hi all, Thanks Lewis and Richard for reaching out regarding this particular IP block off-list. The wider technical issue is that Global block import bot imports Meta softblocks as local hardblocks, which would cause more unintentional blockage in the future as MediaWiki blocks become more granular.
To clarify, I did not attempt to edit the minutes themselves. I was trying to fill in the internal links to other pages on the wiki that were set up in anticipation of such an internal link, e.g. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2020_AGM ; https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/General_Meetings >From a MediaWiki technical perspective, I would think the best way to control editions of important documents like minutes and election results would be to apply page protection to those pages, such that only current staff and trustees (and possibly a handful of seasoned volunteers) can edit them. --Deryck On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 23:29, Katie Crampton <katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > Hi Lewis > > We certainly do not publish documents with any form of signature on them, > as can be seen with our Annual Accounts which have the text version of the > signatories’ names. > > The minutes do not require a signature for approval so this does not apply > here. I’m not suggesting that a seasoned editor not be able to edit > minutes, I’m requesting the staff team be bought into the discussion as how > are we to know that it’s a seasoned editor with good intentions unless > we’re regularly checking those pages, and as our minutes go back many years > this seems an unreasonable undertaking. Ergo, an email conversation should > be part of the process. > > Thanks for your concerns, all reasonable. > > Hope everyone’s enjoying tonight’s results! > > Best > Katie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7 Jul 2021, at 23:15, Lewis Cawte <lewisca...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > I do hope we're not keeping the "signed" authoritative copy of legal > documents on the wiki. If we are, these should be page protected and > properly noted with the correct template until we can take a long hard look > in the mirror at our file keeping. > > Meeting minutes are legal documents once they have been approved and > signed by the meeting chair. In the case of an AGM, this approval is > generally the next AGM. The page on a wiki itself notes that the minutes > are a draft and have not been approved. Should they not be approved because > of a very controversial internal link added by a seasoned contributor, > these can be amended. I'd like to think we're a little more open as a > chapter and a movement that's based on the principles of free and open > knowledge than to shun help from our valued people who are simply trying to > aid readability. > > The issue Deryck is describing is technical, if the report is correct, and > needs to be sorted by Jarry1250 (or whoever has taken over the bot > maintenance), and Deryck needs to follow the steps > <https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/User:Global_block_importer_bot> listed on > the bot's user page for an unblock. > > -- Lewis Cawte > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 22:28, Katie Crampton < > katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > >> To be fair minutes for meetings shouldn’t be able to be edited by general >> editors anyway. >> I don’t really understand the issue you’ve described Deryck, but minutes >> of AGMs are legal documents that we need auditors and the membership to >> approve, so it’d be grand if edits can be suggested to a member of staff >> such as myself or Lucy as common practice rather than made to the page >> itself. >> >> Many thanks for highlighting the issue though. >> >> Best >> Katie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 7 Jul 2021, at 20:36, Lucy Crompton-Reid < >> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Deryck >> >> I'll ask someone to look into this tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free >> to ping me the links and I will add them in. >> >> Thanks for flagging this up. >> >> Lucy >> >> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 19:17, Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've just tried to edit the WMUK wiki to add a few internal links to the >>> 2020 AGM minutes but saw that I was blocked due to a block imported by the >>> global block importer. I had logged in. >>> >>> On further investigation I realised that there's a WM global softblock >>> on my IP range, but the WMUK wiki imported it as a hardblock. Can this be >>> adjusted? >>> >>> --Deryck >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Lucy Crompton-Reid >> >> Chief Executive >> >> >> >> <https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/> >> >> Wikimedia UK <https://beta.wikimedia.org.uk/> is the national chapter >> for the global Wikimedia open knowledge movement. >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Registered Charity No.1144513.Company Limited by >> Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. >> >> Registered Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, >> London SE1 0NZ >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=5+-+11+Lavington+Street,+London+SE1+0NZ&entry=gmail&source=g> >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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