We have a new version of our OWID visualization effort that is 100% based on svgs from Commons.
See way 3 here https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID We are still working on improvements though. And it is still a little data/bandwidth heavy. Hope to have a better version ready by Wikimania. If any language versions wish to try it in this early stage please reach out. James On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 1:39 PM Robert Sim <cont...@robertsky.com> wrote: > I agree largely with Steven. > > My work experience is in data analytics. When my main (enterprise-level, > B2B) SaaS partner modernised their reporting interface out of business > necessity, it was years in planning and development while we used an > increasingly dated web-based reporting interface and then it was before a > few more years in production that they decided that they had reached > feature parity (and a bit more) for the charts they offered before in the > old interface. Their main competitor took years of planning and development > for their new web-based reporting interface to be ready for use. > > The security issues that WMF tech raised 2 years ago exposed the typical > opaque planning/development phases of product development cycle to us (the > end consumer) all here. It is like seeing an apartment complex that you had > bought years ago being built but nothing visible above ground being built > because it is laden with foundational issues to be addressed. Ideally, the > tech team would have fixed the security issue or put a patch to prevent > further exploitation, while the development of the new chart extension > would take place. But reality is different and we are here now, and I think > we should be prepared for a multi-year drought of no or minimal charts > until the new extension is ready for deployment in the respective wikis. > > As for the volunteer-developed tool, thank you for contributing. It is > simply unfortunate that WMF has concerns with the tool that need to be > addressed to the level they want. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Steven Walling <steven.wall...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2025 9:45 AM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Two years without graphs > > One thing to keep in mind here is that MediaWiki is not made for rich > media natively beyond static images. Things like charts are hard to do for > us for historical reasons. I’ve worked on charting and it’s hard to fulfill > all chart UIs even in simple business software. Doing it for the world’s > largest collaborative editing platform seems even harder. > > With that context, if you want to see more urgency I would A) ask if there > are technical blockers still remaining on your wiki and B) if that’s not > the answer, help the WMF out by loudly advocating for rollout and helping > create consensus on your home wikis. The Foundation is constantly yelled at > for moving too fast to launch UI. They are clearly trying to help here and > make a lasting fix. > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 6:11 PM Butch Bustria <bustr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In English Wikipedia, I am forced to change my line charts to bar graphs > while waiting for the result of the full deployment of chart extension. > > For example, chart for the poverty incidence is present in some of the > Philippine local administrative articles. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negros_Oriental#Economy > > > Sincerely, > > Butch Bustria > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only > for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the > intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or > the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the > original message and attachments. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2025, 1:44 AM Jan Ainali <ainali....@gmail.com> wrote: > > For completeness, it is worth mentioning that the new Chart extension, > replacing Graph, is enabled on Swedish, Italian and Hebrew Wikipedia. > > Best regards, > Jan Ainali > > Den mån 21 apr. 2025 kl 19:35 skrev Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com>: > > Dear all, > Two years ago, all graphs were disabled because there was a security > issue. Two years later, we still have a message telling readers that graphs > are broken and that it will be fixed soon. Two years gone, two years of > negligence, two years of abandonment, two years of obsolescence. > > The team that should be fixing it announced that the graphs would be live > again this month (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369944). There's not > even a plan for that to happen (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383079). > Two > years lost, two years without a solution. > > Last year, a group of volunteers partially solved the issue with the OWID > gadget. The WMF asked to stop solving things, while they had a meeting with > people from OurWorldInData to talk about security. Seven months after the > last update from the WMF, we are still waiting for a formal agreement that, > obviously, is not going to happen. ( > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:OWID_Gadget) > > Half a year ago I participated in a discussion about this issue and I said > that the strategy was clear: make everyone forget that we even had graphs, > so there's no need to solve the issue. No one has proven me wrong. > > Two years without graphs. Two years further from our goal to be the > central infrastructure of free knowledge. > > Galder. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KDGJ32SPDBJJVIG5LM6QZB6IOZ7KY3B6/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GAIH57SY6GBVSGKQPVFHIFODBE3TBKJO/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/I5B22JP7ZA53I6ESIODN2FWGZIG37UBL/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/R5Y6AUZRYTBL22MU6VUNY7EPWJ7KXAVL/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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