wikien-l has long since been shut down. The most effective point of discussion would be the talk page of the guideline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability and possibly the Village Pump, since it's causing issues with an ongoing initiative.
- d. On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 at 06:51, Jan Ainali <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please move this entire discussion to wikien-l. > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikien-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > Thanks > Jan Ainali > > > > Den fre 9 aug. 2024 kl 18:54 skrev Todd Allen <[email protected]>: >> >> That's as may well be, but the message I was replying to was specifically >> related to the English Wikipedia's notability guideline. So, since that is >> the subject of discussion, obviously that is what I am discussing. >> >> Todd >> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 10:30 AM Anders Wennersten <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Please, your are talking of how it works on enwp. There are some 200 other >>> language version, each having their own practice, and often, as in this >>> case, not in accordance with enwp >>> >>> Anders >>> >>> >>> Den 2024-08-09 kl. 18:05, skrev Todd Allen: >>> >>> In practice, it has generally been held that to demonstrate notability, >>> multiple reliable sources should be available. That alleviates many >>> practical problems, not least of which is that a single source may be >>> biased, incomplete, contain inaccuracies, etc., and the use of multiple >>> sources, especially cross-checked against one another, helps to fend off >>> such issues. >>> >>> If the GNG is worded in a confusing way such that people are believing from >>> it that single-source articles are acceptable, it should be changed to make >>> clear that they generally are not. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 9:20 AM Thad Guidry <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Just now, I listened in to the GLAM topic: "How to improve our work on >>>> notability? Librarians' case" in the Wikimania 2024 day 3 session. >>>> >>>> I was shocked to hear of stories where well written articles were rejected >>>> because of a so called "single source" conflation. >>>> >>>> I'd like to remind everyone and also point out that there's unclear >>>> messaging happening and some administrators using the unclear messaging in >>>> the WP:GNG as reasoning for well-written and single source cited articles. >>>> This is what I posted in the chat during the session: >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> THAD: >>>> It seems like if a good case can be made that an article provides >>>> additional structure for another topic that can be crosslinked to an >>>> article, AND provide at least 1 source, it should be allowed. >>>> I've heard that only a single source is often used to say "not notable >>>> enough" for acceptance. >>>> But there is indeed this clause in the WP:GNG, that says 1 source is >>>> enough: >>>> >>>> "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in >>>> quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected" >>>> >>>> I encourage any GLAM contributor to bring up that quote. This was solved >>>> and agreed upon over 12 years ago. A single source is enough. >>>> >>>> The problem is that the original clause (which is still there) is >>>> overshadowed by a previous sentence at the beginning of the WP:GNG saying: >>>> >>>> "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when >>>> it has received 'significant coverage' in reliable sources ..." >>>> >>>> Note it says "significant coverage" in reliable sources. But that is >>>> contradictory to the original clause where there is "no fixed number of >>>> sources required". >>>> >>>> In my opinion, the phrase "significant coverage" should be removed from >>>> the beginning of >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline >>>> And thereby the original clause brings with it much more clear >>>> understanding. >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> What say we? >>>> >>>> Thad Guidry >>>> user: thadguidry >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/Y4PKFD6A4LOVZ6SICLSOKNSKFIR3RU4U/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/4ZMGELXQWJXUBU3GWKLDSPXFKAJE3UIO/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/F5XXTD6D2XGD65UENNVDCQFDACPV542S/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/HRY4HMXXX5RBEIYG5SIPAK6SSBDSPO6D/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/KZOTJFN6Z3I6C5KUP56PCMEHXWMVUPHD/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/FS7PXM5EYAHKEM4CJZB27X3A6TGUD6WN/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
