" What is the vision of the WMF on these parts of the Movement Strategy and
how to we make progress on these over the next couple of years? "

Agreed. I've shared it a while ago on Strategy Telegram channel after the
board liaisons first declaration and I repeat it here: We need to know very
clearly Foundation's vision on "*Ensure Equity in Decision-making". *
I don't want to waste my time on
discussing/reviewing/sharing/meeting/voting on new suggestions or appendix
before knowing how the party who said "No" is seeing the 4th recommendation.

Best,
NANöR

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 4:47 PM DerHexer via Wikimedia-l <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While I can follow the reasoning behind the concerns about the Charter
> draft (and I personally share some of these in parts), I still do not
> understand the reasoning for the proposed next steps (appendix
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/Board_resolution_and_vote_on_the_proposed_Movement_Charter/Appendix>
> ):
> * Why is there no Movement Charter and no Global Council mentioned in the
> Appendix as they are considered relevant parts of more equal decision
> making within the Movement Strategy which was also adopted by the wMF?
> What is the vision of the WMF on these parts of the Movement Strategy and
> how to we make progress on these over the next couple of years? — With this
> proposal I feel like we're left in vacuum without any idea how and where to
> progress with these topics *together with WMF*.
> * Why are all currently proposed bodies designed exactly the way all
> parties had problems with over the past decade?
> ** One of them fully selected by WMF staff: “Applications for the PTAC
> […] Candidates will be selected [by WMF] for an interview on a rolling
> basis.”, etc. -> “recommendations for Wikimedia Foundation Product and
> Technology teams”
> ** The other one financially fully dependent on budget allocation -> “will
> seek the recommendations and insights of this body for proposals“
> *: I assume that some of these wordings have legal reasons, but they
> create more frustration than needed because nobody knows if and how
> recommendations are heard and many of us carry their baggage. This is
> getting even more complicated the way the next steps were announced: Maybe
> there is a general need for the WMF Board to put everything in motions
> instead of *starting conversations with other stakeholders*, but for me
> it feels that by doing this there is not much ground for conversation but
> the next steps are put in stone just to fill a vacuum none of us ever
> wanted.
>
> Both of these points, the omission of core Movement Strategy vocabulary
> and the way the experiments are designed and seem to be set in stone, are
> nowhere close to “equity in decision-making”. I think we can do better,
> together! Why not also with regard to the next steps?
>
> Maybe you can also emphasize on this. :) It's helpful to read more from
> the Board perspective for one's own reflections, thanks once again! I'm
> also looking forward to conversations about it at Wikimania and meeting
> many of you again.
>
> (PS: If you prefer that I move these questions to the Appendix talk page,
> please let me know.)
>
> Best,
> DerHexer
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2024 um 16:00:06 MESZ hat Dariusz Jemielniak <
> [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben:
>
>
> If the Board is not just a token body, it was in the voting pipeline for a
> reason. We really worked hard on trying to make things work -
> unfortunately, the visions have dramatically diverted. As I wrote before,
> we have been very supportive of the approach that is problem-oriented and
> organic (one possible idea draft
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pundit/Charter> I personally was in
> favor of, but there were others).
>
> The Board, as I understand it, is fully supportive of the changes in
> principle. It is just responsible enough to not go blindly for an approach
> that it considers flawed and costly. This is, fundamentally, an essential
> fiduciary duty of a trustee: to say "no," when needed, and even when a lot
> of people chant "yes".
>
> I personally am very much in favor of a transfer of responsibility to the
> community at large, I am quite against a large, parliamentary-style body,
> as it, paradoxically, takes quite a bit of power from the community itself,
> while not offering an effective solution.
>
> I may be definitely wrong in my views, but assuming bad faith,
> dictatorship, illusionary elections... Goes quite a bit too far, to my
> taste.
>
> best
>
> Dariusz
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 4:20 AM Itzik Edri <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> When I realized the entire "voting" process was a hoax by the board a few
> weeks ago, I wanted to join other people in protesting against the board's
> behavior. However, I felt it would be pointless, as the board had already
> wasted far too much time, knowing it wouldn't accept anything other than
> its own decision.
> Why spend more time and talk about this charter, collaborate together, in
> what we thought was a democratic decision-making process for this movement,
> but then when it failed to meet the board's own needs, it became a
> dictatorship, where elections aren't just an illusion, and even a majority
> of the movement won't convince the board to accept the existing rules.
>
> But rather than addressing the fundamental issue of the board's disregard
> for this process, which is a waste of millions of dollars and even worse,
> the time spent by countless volunteers thinking, writing, and developing
> this charter, this discussion has shifted to irrelevant issues such as
> whether neutral votes should be counted and whether 100 members (a maximum
> number, not a desired number) of the Global Council should attend Wikimania
> (a matter that is not even mentioned in the charter).
>
> I'm sorry, but all of this is dodging the truth that the board made very
> clear in their resolution - they don’t want any change of forces.
>
> It's clear from their proposed changes to the resource distribution
> ("Because the Board of Trustees holds ultimate financial and fiduciary
> obligations, they are ultimately responsible for approving how much of the
> Foundation’s budget will be made available for grants distribution") - No
> one will decide how much money the foundation will spend. It is up to them
> to decide how much money will go to the rest of the movement bodies, and
> volunteers can maybe only influence how it will be split among them. How is
> it different from now?
>
> The board's resolution is unambiguous, from the resource distribution
> component to the complete disregard for the global council. The board is
> unwilling to recognize any entity that could potentially challenge its
> authority. *Its* staff will support affiliates, resource allocation, and
> other committees, but any potential global council body would be entirely
> dependent on volunteers for all its activities. In contrast, the board
> itself enjoys the support of 100~ paid staff (executives, legal,
> communications, administration..). This arrangement represents a
> significant imbalance of power that serves no purpose other than to
> maintain the board's control.
>
> So what is the point?
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:57 PM Pete Forsyth <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:30 AM Victoria Doronina <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> I live in Europe and am not familiar with the US rules. In the UK, spoilt
> ballots, equivalent to the neutral vote, are counted in the tally.
>
> I don't follow your connection between a spoilt ballot and a neutral vote,
> to me these seem to be unrelated concepts. One has to do with the technical
> condition of the ballot at the time when counted, while the other reflects
> the intent of the voter.
>
> The UK system also does not appear to work the way you describe. For the
> UK referendum we all know best (Brexit), the percentage reported on the
> English Wikipedia article (51.89%) aligns exactly with the result of this
> formula:
> Leave / (Leave + Remain)
> (the same formula used for the charter vote, and in Oregon elections).
>
> The percentage it differs (51.85%) from
> Leave / (Leave + Remain + spoilt)
> (the formula I think you endorse and, I think inaccurately, ascribe to
> British referenda).
>
> So I really am at a loss. The formula used by the Charter Commission seems
> both to align with the policy it set up ahead of time, and with precedents
> in other electoral systems.
>
> Chris said:
>
> > Given all of that, it is neither appropriate, not helpful, for you to now
>
>
> >launch into some kind of public critique of this process based on your
>
> >own views.
>
> Victoria said:
>
> The community-elected trustees were repeatedly demonised and asked for
> their opinion. Now that I’m expressing my opinion, it is suddenly
> inappropriate. Is it because I’m a woman or because the opinion that the
> Charter and the process of its' ratification are not fit for purpose should
> be silenced by any means?
>
>
> I disagree with Chris on this point. But I do find your position
> confusing. Is it not *you* who are now demonizing the committee, by
> asserting that their chosen methodology is unique among systems of
> referendum, and imputing ill motives? In addition to being inaccurate (as
> to the propriety of the tallying method), your words after the fact come
> across to me as spiteful. It's hard to see what they accomplish beyond
> furthering acrimony.
>
> Victoria said:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I regret to see that the communication in this thread fractured. People
> are now asking who am I to use the wikimedia.org email address.
>
>
> I certainly don't object to a Trustee commenting on something that has
> been a significant project of the organization, that seems like an ideal
> use of a wikimedia.org email address!
>
> I also have no objection to the Board's singular act of vetoing the
> charter.
>
> What *does* concern me is trying to comprehend what the Board is aiming
> for. This seems like a uniquely important moment for the Board to clearly
> communicate its vision, as it rejects the proposal that arose out of the
> process it had previously defined.
>
> Instead, communications from the Board (including yours) seem to be
> varying shades of inaccurate, political, vague, and inarticulate.
>
> I would urge you to reflect on that. I'm not saying don't communicate, but
> the opposite. I urge you to communicate more clearly and carefully.
>
> Pete
> Editor of English Wikisource, Wikipedia, Commons, Wikidata, etc.
>
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