Agreed. This work is absolutely fantastic, and OWID itself is a wonder of the data-viz world, run by a small team, advancing what it means to effectively convey the sum of current knowledge on a topic. We should actively support them however possible.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:38 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > As per the last input by James Heilman regarding multilingualism: > > Whatever translations we could implement in the interactive graphs that > may imply some kind of a “mirroring back” to OWID, is a win-win for both > projects and for the sake of free knowledge. Considering the relevance of > OWID in academic environments, it would be great that our efforts in > adapting them on-wiki for our articles can revert to a better language > accessibility there as well. > > Salutacions/Kind regards, > > Xavier Dengra > > As per the latest input by James > El dc, 17 abr., 2024 a 22:41, James Heilman <[email protected] > <El+dc,+17+abr.,+2024+a+22:41,+James+Heilman+%3C%3Ca+href=>> va escriure: > > Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons. > And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph > tool <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we > got it to work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For > example our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe. > > With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional > within ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in > these ZIMs/offline. > > The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the > Wikipedia app. > > All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at > pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number > of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to > bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it > multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror). > > Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these > specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with > an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers. > Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use. > > James > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22 PM Brooke Vibber <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the >> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would >> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile >> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained >> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the >> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on >> multimedia. >> >> -- brooke >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59 PM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> A bit more background on Our World in Data. >>> >>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization >>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts >>> >>> They come in two main formats: >>> >>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work >>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders >>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data >>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources >>> >>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow. >>> >>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons >>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data >>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this >>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup >>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it >>> activated. >>> >>> James >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29 PM Brooke Vibber <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements >>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features >>>> built in again soon! >>>> >>>> -- brooke >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43 AM Felipe Schenone <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder! >>>>> >>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so >>>>> that it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not). >>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation >>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the >>>>> code >>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context >>>>> >>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia >>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help >>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts? >>>>> Some technical notes: >>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods >>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and >>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it. >>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the >>>>> global space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always >>>>> loaded. >>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON >>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that >>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly >>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can >>>>> set up a call to discuss some options? >>>>> >>>>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see >>>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some >>>>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I >>>>> should >>>>> be able to fix it in the next few hours. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done, >>>>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring >>>>>> this new feature: >>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak. >>>>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four >>>>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so >>>>>> simple, >>>>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step >>>>>> forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> Galder >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* James Heilman <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM >>>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we >>>>>> are doing it wrong >>>>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia, >>>>>> following a consent popup. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa >>>>>> >>>>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> James Heilman >>>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>>> guidelines at: >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> Public archives at >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/MFERHIM5S5BNJCM52YYB2Q6T7FO3ZLAL/ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RKXWQ2QVN6XMFBKHFYDXUWO4SXRL64LK/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/4CXDQL5XXNEJ4NDC42BROSM6LUWH7QFI/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> James Heilman >>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/WB3IV5GBHNK2LKUQJXQS4HAQDQ3QIHAC/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/A4CFX6DAU7VLO7SG3IL7A3IO6IXRHWI6/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/CXUG7HMUMX7Z5UTD5EDEWZMBTCLMRV5S/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
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