> Everyone’s relationship with English Wikipedia, including the Wikimedia
> Foundation’s
>
> "For various reasons, the Foundation and some parts of the communities are
> stuck in an uneasy relationship where the Foundation admires but fears the
> communities’ power, like a beautiful but dangerous animal – the tiger might
> attack you – and the communities, not least English Wikipedia, distrust the
> Foundation."
>
> My experience so far has been that we have a very contentious relationship
> with English Wikipedia. The Foundation raises most of the revenue to
> support a global movement from English Wikipedia, and it’s often where
> volunteers raise most of the concerns and objections to the Foundation’s
> work.
>
> It's painfully affecting volunteers and staff that are trying to maintain
> content and code, and make important improvements to all the websites, as
> with the launch of Vector 2022 this year. It has made product and
> engineering teams very conservative in their approach to rolling out
> features, making each change take 12 or 18 months, or years!, to get
> valuable features to users. And it impacts our ability to collaborate with
> communities on and off English Wikipedia on big goals like knowledge equity
> and the movement strategy recommendations. As Yoda noted
> <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fear#L>, fear is the path to the dark
> side. This is a bummer, and I’d like it to change.
>
> So how do we break this cycle? What I’m doing now is directly engaging.
> Today, for example, I participated in an office hours session to talk about
> Vector 2022. Some of the product senior leadership in the recent past have
> specifically avoided talking directly with people on English Wikipedia, and
> this approach will no longer be applied. Engaging human to human is the
> best way I know to help resolve some of the mystery, fear and anger that
> are present. However, that will absolutely not fix what’s wrong here. We
> need systemic solutions. Today, there’s no way to make lasting and mutually
> binding agreements with volunteers, and that isn’t a sustainable way to
> create and maintain infrastructure software. My hope is that, with a more
> open and direct approach to engage and also through the work of the
> Movement Charter Drafting Committee, we will chart out a path for more
> lasting, productive collaboration.
>

Related to the other thread about English I remembered this. It is good
that the WMF talks to English Wikipedia. Many of us just wish WMF
leadership would talk directly to the other wikis too.

John S.
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