An interesting standoff. I don’t suppose anyone has analysed the potential losses and gains associated with each option. If that is even possible, considering the number of unknowns. I agree that it is taking an amazingly long time, and it is not obvious why.
Cheers, Peter From: Chico Venancio [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 January 2023 16:56 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Upcoming vote on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct The heart of the matter is why are we voting? What is the threshold that will enact the UCoC? > Who it would be respected by. WMF and the board. We've had 3 and a half years of discussion on the UCoC and a majority vote to approve enforcement guidelines, and yet no functioning UCoC. >As volunteers, if a significant part of the community sufficiently dislikes >the proposed UCOC, we simply lose them, and some may become vociferous >opponents because reasonably fixable issues were ignored. Taking longer and >getting it closer to right is to me a better plan. You may not care about some >of the issues that needed to be fixed, but some of us do. As volunteers, if a significant part of the community sufficiently dislikes the status quo we simple lose them, and some may become vociferous opponents because reasonably fixable issues were ignored. Taking over 3 years to implement an Universal Code of Conduct is to me a bad plan. You may not care about some of the issues that needed to be fixed, but some of us do. Cheers, Chico Venancio Em qui., 5 de jan. de 2023 às 11:22, Peter Southwood <[email protected]> escreveu: It seems that sorting out problems that are pointed out during an approval process is not an unreasonable thing to do, as leaving them unchanged would be irresponsible and extremely likely to cause other problems later. Asking whether a vote result will be respected misses the issue of who it would be respected by. Can you clarify that? As volunteers, if a significant part of the community sufficiently dislikes the proposed UCOC, we simply lose them, and some may become vociferous opponents because reasonably fixable issues were ignored. Taking longer and getting it closer to right is to me a better plan. You may not care about some of the issues that needed to be fixed, but some of us do. Cheers, Peter From: Chico Venancio [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 January 2023 20:48 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Upcoming vote on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct Hi Patrick, Five months ago I wrote in the Movement Strategy forum:[1] Could we have clear criteria for approval of the guidelines? I find it pretty frustrating that a vote was taken and the majority is being ignored to review a few points that are not even central to the functioning of the UCoC. Can we suspend these sections for further review and enforce the UCoC now? The first reference I find to UCoC is in june of 2019, and I fear any participation in this now 3 year long process of creating a universal code of conduct is pointless, as goalposts can always be shifted later. Could we have an answer? What is the goalpost here? Will this vote result be respected? Kind regards, [1] https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/revisions-to-the-universal-code-of-conduct-ucoc-enforcement-guidelines/377/15?u=chicocvenancio Chico Venancio Em qua., 4 de jan. de 2023 às 15:41, Patrick Earley <[email protected]> escreveu: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Announcement/Voting_1> You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Hello all, In mid-January 2023, the <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines> Enforcement Guidelines for the <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct> Universal Code of Conduct will undergo a second community-wide ratification vote. [1][2] This follows <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_guidelines/Voting/Results> the March 2022 vote, which resulted in a majority of voters supporting the Enforcement Guidelines. [3] During the vote, participants helped highlight important community concerns. The Board’s <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee> Community Affairs Committee requested that these areas of concern be reviewed. [4] The volunteer-led <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee#Revisions_Committee_members> Revisions Committee worked hard reviewing community input and making changes. [5] They updated areas of concern, such as training and affirmation requirements, privacy and transparency in the process, and readability and translatability of the document itself. The revised Enforcement Guidelines can be viewed <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines> here, and a comparison of changes can be found <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Comparison> here. [6][7] How to vote? Beginning January 17, 2023, voting will be open. <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information> This page on Meta-wiki outlines information on how to vote using SecurePoll. Who can vote? The <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information#Voting_eligibility> eligibility requirements for this vote are the same as for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees elections. See the voter information page for more details about voter eligibility. If you are an eligible voter, you can use your Wikimedia account to access the voting server. What happens after the vote? Votes will be scrutinized by an independent group of volunteers, and the results will be published on Wikimedia-l, the Movement Strategy Forum, Diff and on Meta-wiki. Voters will again be able to vote and share concerns they have about the guidelines. The Board of Trustees will look at the levels of support and concerns raised as they look at how the Enforcement Guidelines should be ratified or developed further. On behalf of the UCoC Project Team, Patrick ----- [1], [6] Revised Enforcement Guidelines: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines [2] Universal Code of Conduct: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [3] March 2022 vote results: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_guidelines/Voting/Results [4] Community Affairs Committee: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee [5] Revisions Committee: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee#Revisions_Committee [7] Comparison page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Comparison [8] Voter information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information [9] Voting eligibility: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information#Voting_eligibility -- Patrick Earley Lead Trust & Safety Policy Manager Wikimedia Foundation [email protected] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/M4GCCGMDV5MUV7UYBFLHH6B5EFCDQJEV/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/VOKFVRR6AMYKL47PXLYI2CL7E26ZU3GK/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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