Hi all, Thanks for discussing this topic. It is clear the publication of this information is important to some community members. The Elections Committee and Board Selection Task Force approved publishing a complete list of which affiliate organizations voted in a table <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Affiliate_Organization_Participation> .
Best, Jackie On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 11:45 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > Of course it's like that Ilario,sometimes some usergroups are > "userpersons". and as person involved in the previous ASBS election I > politely hinted that aspect as much as possible in the past. Also, > sometimes even some chapters are mostly few key persons when relationship > with WMF is involved, but it's easier to start from UGs to handle the issue. > > i had some general idea of what you are supposed to facilitate if you want > real transparency in these processes and I felt that was not fully there. > Instead of building on previous know-how, the process was restarting again > and that do not get great functionality in WMF, usually. It's like knowing > for sure that these sort of mails would have happened at the end. > > I had no time to look carefully, but that was kinda of a feeling and as a > result, despite being a first contact and having a decent know-how, I > decided not to engage the affiliate in the process. The affiliate I > represent is small and fragmented and lacks a strong identity yet, I know > for sure that getting to a meaningful ranking would have taken a lot of > effort and in May and June I simply had no time. Or it would have resulted > in me pushing my ideas in a way or another, and that was not correct. Like, > many people are ns-0 users and don't now names, so they trust your side of > the story. > > So I decided to skip it. I was asked a contact for the first step and > replied by mail that in May I had no time to even start a thread on meta > about deciding whom to select (it would have been me, probably, but I did > not feel it was correct). > > my choice was either focusing properly as a UG on the WIkisummit > application or that, and I did at least properly the first one. I could > have taken part in the process probably representing 90% myself, nobody > would have noticed. > > Alessandro > > Il sabato 23 luglio 2022 17:59:01 CEST, Ilario Valdelli < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > I think that there is a very sensible point here. > > Sometimes behind some usergroups there is not a specific community but > only few people and sometimes some usergroups are "userpersons". > > Being more transparent helps to demonstrate that the whole process has > been conducted appropriately but also to have an overview that affiliates > have voted really on what their community proposed. > > Kind regards > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 3:28 AM Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need > to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members, > > > This is not some functionary volunteer role, nor is it a scholarship to > attend some event. The affiliate and the members of the Board of Trustees > are both very public facing aspects, when a person is on the Board of > Trustees their identity is public > https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ . It is obvious that a > truly vulnerable person would not even put themselves into a BOT > position. It's important for members of the community to know who their > affiliate chose to represent them because it's a reflection of that > community. I know some affiliates actually didnt consult their communities > for input into the decision process before the fact so knowing after the > fact is at least pretending to be transparent in the voting. > > > > On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 at 06:01, Benjamin Lees <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't think there's anything blithe in pointing out that an > after-the-fact promise of secrecy serves no one. Affiliates had to decide > whether to vote without knowing whether the list would be published (but > hopefully realizing that the username of their voter would be published, > although I'm not sure if this was made clear). The main effect of post-hoc > secrecy here would be to sow confusion and set up unrealistic expectations > about future votes; in the last affiliate-selected board seat process, not > only was the list of voting affiliates published, but *their individual > votes were as well*: < > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Asbs_presentation_matches_with_stv_py_results.pdf>, > and for the reasons Lodewijk describes, we might well wish to return to > such full transparency in the future. > > If a decision either way had been made and communicated beforehand, > affiliate voters could have made an informed decision, but as with most of > the rules for this election, it was announced in the middle of the > election, rather than in the many months before it. In any event, I agree > with SJ that this is a decision to be made by the elections committee, not > WMF staff. > > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:45 PM Robert Fernandez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need > to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members, > especially in a community that usually prides itself on the ability to > participate anonymously. > > That said, perhaps we could publish the names of participating affiliates > who affirm the wish to be named publicly. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/LNXPN2Z5TY35SJOV6MOLB7ASOQL57GGF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/DNDMKF4NKNDFEKC5FFHXWB24FISK4NCA/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > GN. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/27TMCRTG33NLTXSSN4P5JZFVX7OEEIFS/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > Skype: valdelli > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/PQFYW2AOEK2UZFTZJFAIOBY43JVVOZT4/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RRM6MMRSOECNWA7SHLMOQJEAPS6BXV5X/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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