Hi Quim, Thank you for this initiative, I would like to add feedbacks hoping that they will be useful for the improvement of this site
*Primo *: The reactivity: it is very good. The updates of the pages are very fast in the whole world and the navigation in the forum is very easy and fluid. *Secondo*: the visual identity is basic and correct. but we need time to assimilate the different codifications but in general the idea of the forum remains a smart solution. *Tertio *: Hope to see translated - Tile of the forum - Tiles of topics or threads - And why not multiple automatic translations of different messages. for example : Option 1: All threads in one unique language depending on our interface language. Option 2: Each message of the thread can be displayed in the language we want to see and that we have selected in our personal configuration options. Thanks B <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bachounda>achounda Le mer. 1 juin 2022 à 11:21, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < [email protected]> a écrit : > Since 2018 (!!) there's an Extension that allows translation using the > Google Translate API (the same Discourse is using). > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Translator > > You can test it here, for example: > https://karaoke.kjams.com/wiki/System_Requirements > > It took me literally 5 minutes to figure out that this exists. So, the one > and only feature where Discourse may be better positioned than Meta to > discuss about Wikimedia, can also be done perfectly with this extension. > > Thanks > > Galder > ------------------------------ > *From:* Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:01 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the new Movement Strategy Forum > community review > > Let's see the "features" Discourse have and MediaWiki don't: > > > - Anyone can join with their Wikimedia account. No registration is > required. > - This is a feature we already have. > > > - Multilingual conversations are possible thanks to automatic > translation in more than 100 languages. > - How are they doing that? Discourse is open source, isn't it? Could > this feature be experimentally included at Meta? Are they using the Google > Translate API? > - > - Newcomers are welcomed with an interactive tutorial and badges for > achievements. > - This can be done in Meta. Even developing a system of easy tutorials > and gamification would be a great add-on for most wikis. So, if this is > something really important, we SHOULD be doing for ourselves, and not > letting MediaWiki abandonware. > - > - Notifications can be adjusted to follow or mute topics, categories, > and tags. > - This can be done with Flow. > > > - Conversations can use easy text formatting, expanded links, images, > and emojis. > - We can do this on wiki. Even the emojis thing. > > > - Complex conversations can be summarized by their participants, also > split or merged. > - We can do this on wiki. We have been doing this for ages. > > > - Posts can be flagged anonymously for moderation. Community > moderators ensure that the Universal Code of Conduct is observed. > - We can do this on wiki. Also, the Community moderators ensuring that > the UCoC is observed should be working on how to do that on... check > notes... Meta. > > > - All features are available on mobile and desktop browsers. > - Also on wiki. If something is missing on mobile, then, we should > invest all the necessary to get it. Not doing that only makes our platform > more obsolete. > - > - Congratulate newcomers each time they publish a post. > - This is a feature already available at Wiki. We can also > congratulate by hand if wanted. > > Is Discourse better? I don't know. Abandoning our own software because we > have found that others are doing things better? A total error. > > I have said this before, but we have plenty of money. We are swimming in a > giant money pool. Our software is obsolete, and every move we make away of > it, makes it even more obsolete, despite having the money to solve it. > > Thanks > > Galder > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Quim Gil <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:09 AM > *To:* Mike Peel <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Join the new Movement Strategy Forum > community review > > Hi again, > > The proposal for a new forum comes with a problem statement > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Forum/Proposal#Why_a_Movement_Strategy_Forum>, > a list of main features aimed to address this problem, and a set of > questions to help everyone find points of tangible discussion and hopefully > agreement. > > Today, "use a wiki" or "we have Meta" alone doesn't solve the problem. The > discrimination suffered by volunteers not fluent in English is real. The > intimidation and alienation felt by many volunteers and many groups that > are underrepresented in our movement or marginalized in our societies is > real. And simply, the difficulty to have multiple simultaneous complex > discussions in a structured and enjoyable way is very real. > > We are not claiming that this forum can solve all these problems in one > strike. However, we firmly believe that this forum presents a better > alternative here and now for everyone interested in the Movement Strategy > implementation. Clearly a better alternative for those who are in practice > excluded or gone from traditional on-wiki conversations. But also to > everyone else (expert wiki editors included) who wants to get things done > in a context where diversity, equity, inclusion, efficient use of time, and > fun are naturally expected. > > Many people have responded to this problem with their feet. Wikimedia > cross-project connections and conversations have been trending towards > "social media" platforms for years. Today they are all scattered and still > growing. And well, many years before social media, mailing lists like this > one were created "off-wiki" for a reason. > > This forum proposes the creation of a platform fully functional today, to > host the conversations and collaboration needed to implement the Movement > Strategy. We can offer a platform as easy to use as the popular tools > people are using daily to connect and discuss. We can offer features none > of these commercial platforms offer today like automatic translation, > better organization of complex conversations, better search and memory, and > a much better alignment with the Wikimedia values. All this is available > today, one Wikimedia login click away. For you to review. > > Keeping Meta updated including possibilities for participation is > perfectly possible. One of the questions > <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/are-there-other-channels-that-you-would-prefer-to-use-in-addition-to-or-instead-of-this-forum-for-movement-strategy-updates-and-feedback-why/54> > of the community review asks about how the support of other channels would > work in practice. If you appreciate Meta-Wiki as much as, say, Wikimedia > volunteers who don't speak English, please contribute your ideas to find > the best solutions. > > I hope this expresses our general motivation to get out of everyone's > comfort zone (ours included) and propose this forum. > > Florence asks: > > Will there be any notion of Single Login in the future (when/if it > starts being hosted by WMF) ? > > Wikimedia login is in effect already now, and it's the only way to log in > to the forum. After logging in the first time, the browser keeps the > session for a period of time (that can be configured by the admins) so that > people don't have to log in again every day. > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 12:36 AM Mike Peel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > See this pinned topic: > > > > User privacy considerations in this forum > > > > https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/user-privacy-considerations-in-this-forum/55 > < > https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/user-privacy-considerations-in-this-forum/55 > > > > So this does not follow the WMF's privacy policy at: > https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy > > You didn't answer this. > > > Sorry, I had responded with a link. This is what the link says: > > > We are still working on the Privacy Policy and the Terms of Use of the > Movement Strategy Forum. > > They will be completed during the community review. In the meantime, we > provide here information > > about privacy for users of this platform. > > > Every single link under "Community review questions" goes to your new > website. > > > We are asking volunteers to review a proposed new forum. We have a forum > that people can use to inform their reviews. Sending people to the forum > being reviewed is only logical. > > All wiki pages have a talk page, and the proposal's talk page also > welcomes people to contribute their feedback there too, providing a > structure to comment on the same questions. > > -- > Quim Gil (he/him) > Director of Movement Strategy & Governance @ Wikimedia Foundation > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/O7WE3GAA7ZWGJIJOWIXIYAJ72GUZETJM/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/ECHVK65KT5PFS2DDPJIQAQ2JCCKWTASE/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
