I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue, especially in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could indirectly affect things like copyright on the internet. I do share concerns about “social media events” and it would be helpful to spell out how these could be covered in an encyclopedia when social media is not considered a reliable source for an article. Add to that a decline in subscriptions to local newspapers (I believe this is not only a US issue but an international problem) as well as geoblocking content of national newspapers and you have major issues with updates to Wikipedia election articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle these issues but have complete confidence in the various election-related WikiProjects so if there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already joined forces on this. Jane
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa we > do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the last > 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is fine > with me that subjects like this are raised. > Thanks, > GerardM > >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where >> most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other >> Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the >> US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English >> Wikipedia. >> >> Thanks for your understanding. >> >> Galder >> From: Risker <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections >> >> There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on >> elections.[1][2] I suggest you might want to continue this conversation >> there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good >> grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted >> before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places >> to talk about American politics. >> >> Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was >> yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week >> ago; there were no surprises. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> >> >> >> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government >> [2] >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections >> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute >> happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to >> precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more >> photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want >> to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex >> events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related >> strategies, tactics, events, and happenings. >> >> >> >> On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it >> will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the >> next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential >> election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, >> interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to >> encyclopedia articles as they occur. >> >> >> >> My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes >> participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential >> election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these >> prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with >> regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please >> let me know. >> >> >> >> If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a >> Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these >> topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of >> enhanced election coverage – en route to 2024. >> >> >> >> In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and >> structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential >> elections (2016 and 2020). >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election >> >> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise >> >> [3] >> https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-embarrassing-to-trudeau-but-not-his-voters >> >> >> >> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject >> >> [5] >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces >> >> >> >> From: Eduardo Testart >> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections >> >> >> >> Hi Adam, >> >> >> >> If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to >> start writing those articles you would like to see. >> >> >> >> If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them", >> you might very well never see the articles come to life. >> >> >> >> It's never too late to start editing 😉 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski <[email protected]> >> escribió: >> >> Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of >> elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news >> stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to >> by political campaigns, parties, and organizations, coverage which includes >> election tactics and strategies, can enhance Wikipedia and provide its >> readers with fuller pictures of elections. >> >> >> >> I am starting to think about possibilities with respect to these new >> articles. I am looking forward to seeing how Wikimedians choose to create >> and structure them. A hope is that future elections will improve as a result. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> From: Risker >> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:51 PM >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections >> >> >> >> Hello Adam - >> >> >> >> This looks like a series of articles that could reasonably be made about the >> elections of any country: for example, "Election tactics in the 2000 US >> Presidential election" or "Election tactics in the 1986 British House of >> Commons election" or whatever. Draft space is right there waiting for you or >> others to create the articles. I'm sure for many of these elections there >> will be lots of available reference sources, both contemporaneous and in >> terms of historical research. It will be important to ensure that no >> political bias is introduced into the articles. Of course, there is also >> the question of whether these tactics had any effect on the outcome of any >> given election, and what that effect was; again, that will probably need >> reference sources from independent academic researchers and books. >> >> >> >> Incidentally, this is an international list; at least half of the people who >> post here live and work in countries outside of the United States. I am >> uncomfortable to see Wikimedians referred to as "we, the American people", >> and I hope that you will reconsider that kind of approach toward any >> project. Even English Wikipedia, which I assume is your target audience >> here, is edited more by people outside the US than those inside it. >> >> >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> >> On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 14:50, Adam Sobieski <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Wikimedia, >> >> >> >> I have a psephological and election historical observation that I would like >> to share with Wikimedia. >> >> >> >> Low-brow, crass, and manipulative political advertising and marketing, >> various hot-button, third-rail, dog-whistle, and wedge issues, have been >> deployed by candidates, campaigns, and political actors and organizations >> during American election seasons. These tactics are very much a part of our >> elections and appear to be subsequently omitted from encyclopedic (e.g., >> Wikipedia) and historical coverage of the elections (e.g., 2000 – 2020). >> >> >> >> How low have election campaigns gone? Very. Yet, for some reasons, American >> encyclopedists and historians appear to be almost complicit, glossing over >> these problematic election campaign tactics. Each historical election >> appears to be reduced to a single encyclopedia article or small cluster of >> such articles, only some such articles attempt to list election issues, and >> no such article mentions campaign advertising and marketing themes and >> tactics deployed by campaigns, political actors, and organizations on radio, >> television, the Web, or social media. >> >> >> >> I propose that encyclopedists, scholars, and scientists seek to attend to, >> remember, and record election campaign mass media tactics and manipulations >> lest we, the American people, be doomed to repeat them in future elections. >> Perhaps by remembering the election campaign advertising and marketing >> tactics utilized, including on social media, and listing them >> encyclopedically, a buoyant pressure can be created with which to elevate >> our American politics. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your time and for considering these ideas with which to >> improve encyclopedic coverage of American elections. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Adam Sobieski >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/MMHYBNWT6R6HO567QOIYEXBELL27YVK7/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/AHPE2E3ZDBP5XGITTOINAD4WFU6UDOHW/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/77GWG3MZ7UAO2NL44E7CPITRVMIVBZYS/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/KIEUVCHI6PVT4UO5LPAIW5TKGLLOHWUE/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/WO7BG23B5LA4OT6PU3VEEDZQR5KGOBCP/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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